Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Nomad]

Somehow I managed to wade through all of MsJack’s allegations of “misogyny” that started this discussion. I even clicked on many of the links and read parts of the discussions where the quotes originated.

My conclusion? The charge of misogyny is a gross exaggeration with no basis in the actual evidence. Yes, there was some occasional sexual innuendo associated with Will’s banter with the women in question. But all in all it struck me as relatively mild fare in comparison to the extremely coarse and vulgar material that I often saw surrounding Schryver’s comments.

I also discovered that the women involved were frequently engaged in very provocative and offensive rhetoric themselves. It seems to me they were more than willing to offend in their own way, and now want to make themselves appear to be innocent victims. The context of the comments does not support such a conclusion.

Don’t misunderstand, I don’t “approve” of everything Will has said and done. I think some of it was ill-advised and demonstrated poor judgment. Seeing as how all the quotes I saw seemed to date to two or three years ago, I think it likely that he has learned from his mistakes.

At any rate, I saw nothing to persuade me that Will Schryver has misogynist tendencies. He does have an acerbic and sometimes cutting tongue, that much is certain. But that is not a sin in my judgment. Although not always angelic in his expressions, in my opinion he has been falsely accused.

In fact, the conclusion I will take away from my brief experience here is that the common thread running through everything I read is a high degree of anti-Mormon hostility that frequently manifests itself through intentional misrepresentation.

QFT

[_Nomad]

My guess is that Silver Hammer is Will.

I haven't seen a new guy at the meetings.

lol

[_Nomad]

Rollo Tomasi:

Sorry I'm so late to this conversation. I just logged in and noted several PM's asking me to comment on the charge of Will calling harmony the "c" word. It's been over 6 months since the thread in question occurred, so my memory is pretty hazy. But I can honestly say that I do not recall ever seeing Will use the "c" word, in that thread or in any other. And given how repulsed I am by that word, I'm pretty sure I would remember if he had. Of course, Will could have used such a word and it was edited out before I saw it, but I have NO evidence at all of this. If memory serves, my statement then to Will about his poor treatment of harmony had more to do with his tone than any profanity, but it certainly wasn't about him using the "c" word (or my response would have been much worse).

I'm not saying he never used the "c" word; I'm simply saying that I never saw it used in that thread (and I'm quite certain about this, because I would remember if he had used that vile word).

Stop the presses!

Integrity raises its head at MDB.

The one person who would know better than anyone, the one person who actually quoted and commented on what Will said, and he says emphatically ”I never saw it used in that thread (and I’m quite certain about this, because I would remember if he had used that vile word).”

What is really sad is how willingly so many people hopped on the bandwagon of the lie.

[_Trevor]

I was wondering when you would jump in here Nomad. Welcome!

[_harmony]

There is more than sufficient evidence for the case against Will even without the C word incident.

This is what I don't understand. There's no need to make one incident the whole discussion, while ignoring all the rest. They are all equally ugly, disgusting, derogatory, full of attempts to unrighteously dominate.

Address all those other equally ugly posts. There are literally years worth of ugly posts to address. Focusing on one post while ignoring all the rest is part of the rabbit hole/red herring tactic that Will wants to see, so his behavior goes unaddressed.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

My guess is that Silver Hammer is Will.

I haven't seen a new guy at the meetings.

lol

I don't get it, sorry.

[_The Reaping]

I don't get it, sorry.

He is, of course, referrring to the Will Schryver sock puppet club meetings.

[_harmony]

My guess is that Silver Hammer is Will.

I haven't seen a new guy at the meetings.

lol

I don't get it, sorry.

I think Nomad's is referring to the monthly meetings of the Will Schryver Sock Puppet Fan Club. There are those here who think Nomad is a sockpuppet of Will's.

[_Dad of a Mormon]

ATTN: This post is about the c-word so if you are not interested in that issue, please skip.

My theory is this: one moderator (Dr. Shades?) edited the post to remove the C-word, only to be followed later by harmony who edited it further due to the blatant personal attacks. Wouldn't that explain why some have claimed to have seen the actual word and others saw it edited?

No, because people who claim to see it simply saw it before it was edited the one and only time it was edited.

Yes, but the problem is that some say that they saw the word spelled out and some say they saw the word censored but still knew it was the c-word from context. What exists right now is that the whole section is removed.

Did Dr. Shades say he edited the post? I don't believe he did.

I'm VERY sure that it wasn't me. If harmony says she did it, then I have no problem believing her.

Yes, but I guess this has become like a puzzle to me now. Faulty memories can certainly be part of the equation, but there are people who have rather distinct memories of it being there in both censored and filter-evading forms, and we have a person who replied to it and said it definitely wasn't there and is confident he would have remembered it. (He acknowledged that it is possible that it was edited out.)

No, he just confirmed that the post was edited because Will attempted to get around the filter. I asked him how he knows this and he has not replied yet.

I haven't replied yet because I didn't see where you asked me about it. :-)

But to answer your question, I "know this" because I've had the "C" word programmed into the word censor for a very long time. If harmony edited it out this recently, then it must've existed due to Will's having subverted the word censor.

Do you keep a record of moderator actions? I know that this would normally be private, but are there any records of who edited the post and when?

My theory is that Dr. Shades is going off of what harmony told him, or is making an assumption. I hope he comes along to clear things up.

I'm making an assumption based on the reasons I gave in the above paragraph. Harmony didn't mention the incident to me (nor would I have expected her to do so).

I think it is a fair assumption, certainly from your perspective, but it does leave some questions unanswered. I'm just hoping that it would be possible for you to bring more light to the table by reviewing moderator action logs or any audit trails of what may have been edited out. I do understand if there is no information available (other than what you have given) or if the information is confidential and can't be shared.

[_Yoda]

There is more than sufficient evidence for the case against Will even without the C word incident.

This is what I don't understand. There's no need to make one incident the whole discussion, while ignoring all the rest. They are all equally ugly, disgusting, derogatory, full of attempts to unrighteously dominate.

Address all those other equally ugly posts. There are literally years worth of ugly posts to address. Focusing on one post while ignoring all the rest is part of the rabbit hole/red herring tactic that Will wants to see, so his behavior goes unaddressed.

That was my point as well.

If I were a member of FAIR, MI, or even simply an LDS Priesthood holder, I would be outraged that someone was representing my organization in such a fashion.

For some reason, Will does not seem to comprehend this.

I'm glad to see that LOAP and David do.

What is interesting to see is that Will seems to consider anyone who finds his behavior offensive on some type of personal or even professional vendetta against him. Obviously, nothing could be further from the truth.

Again, I hope that DCP can talk some sense into Will. However, I doubt it will do any good. I venture to guess that Will may even turn on DCP if such an action is taken. Time will tell.