Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Eric]

I regard much of the behavior that I documented in the OP as just as serious, if not more serious than that one example, so I'm curious as to why you are less interested in that.

The c-word is much more vulgar and derogatory, in my opinion, than the b-word or other slurs. Do you disagree? It would surprise me if an active Mormon posting under his own name would use such a nasty word. Even Will.

I'm curious, too, about your use of another c-word: cad. I wonder why you would call someone that for doubting the truth claims of the incident in question. I'm offended by the implication that I don't treat women properly because I expressed my doubts. I'm sure my girlfriend would disagree. Is that what you were trying to imply, or am I reading you wrong?

Of course, there's no rule that says you have to address William's transgressions in order of seriousness; you're allowed to be as arbitrary as you like and you don't owe anyone any explanation. My question was just me being curious.

I don't feel like I need to address and condemn everything else that Will has done. I'm sure he doesn't count me as a friend, or a fan, or a supporter. Please don't mistake my comments about the c-word incident as anything other than me speaking my mind about the c-word incident.

You haven't demonstrated this, but please feel free to keep saying it. This is, after all, a free speech forum.

Rollo, the time stamps, and the conflicting testimonies.

[_wenglund]

TEST

harmony is a c u n t.

(I just love circumnavigating software.)

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Very interesting.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_RockSlider]

consiglieri,

Not to worry. Unfortunately, MsJack noted eariler in the thread that the moderators had plead with her to allow them to move this out. It was just going to be impossible to moderate it. She agreed.

I assume it will be moved at the moderation teams earilest convience

[_Dr. Shades]

(I just love circumnavigating software.)

Nevertheless, please don't do it again. Ever.

[_moksha]

I would like to remind Consiglieri that using that word is a slippery path to the F word.

Hope that helps.

[_Dad of a Mormon]

I would like to remind Consiglieri that using that word is a slippery path to the F word.

Hope that helps.

C-word,
D-word,
E-word
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F-word.

[_Will Schryver]

30 pages????!!!!!

Wow!

Having been “off the grid” for the past few days, I cannot hope now to catch up on everything that has been said. However, I have scanned through and checked out the highlights.

My reactions:

My sincere thanks and commendation to “Silver Hammer” for being one of the few people (of whom I am aware) to have ever “drilled down” to read my quotes in their original context.

After having read what I have written in its original context, I am not surprised by your conclusions.

All of the quotes cited by MsJack in her OP are, of course, divorced from their context.

That said, I have come to realize that:

MsJack has performed an extraordinary service for me in that she has linked to the original posts where all of my comments were made.

Thank you very much for your efforts in that regard, MsJack. I’ve never felt motivated enough to go to the trouble of making a concerted defense of the allegations leveled against me. I’ve never felt like anyone outside this message board took these things seriously. I still don’t. But now that MsJack has assembled the quotes and the links to the original context of those quotes, any sincere investigator of these things is enabled to form a truly informed judgment—as did “Silver Hammer.”

MsJack, in her attempt to assassinate my character, has instead done more than anyone ever has to defend and exonerate me from the mythic allegations produced by the GSTP propaganda mill. Indeed, this thread will continue to serve my purposes into the foreseeable future—assuming this manufactured issue should ever rise above the level of irrelevant.

Furthermore, MsJack has done more to damage her own reputation (at least in certain circles) than she ever could have imagined.

Next:

Notwithstanding our past (and undoubtedly future) differences on most issues, the man Rollo Tomasi has risen dramatically in my personal estimation.

I can well imagine how tempting it might have been to join in the dog-pile, and yet Rollo was true to his knowledge of the facts—despite the unavoidable reality that doing so would have the effect of defending someone whom he dislikes very much, and who has directed towards him a considerable amount of invective over the years.

Rollo, I will not forget your courage in this matter. We will certainly have our disagreements in the future, but I will continue to honor you for what you have done on this thread. And, if you are willing, I would like to buy you lunch some time. I think you might find that an “in person” encounter with me leaves you with an impression you did not anticipate. I have no doubt my opinion towards you would be altered similarly. I will contact you via PM.

Next:

I also commend Eric once again for his unwillingness to yield to the herd mentality of this place.

My estimation of you has increased over the course of the past couple years, even though we also disagree on most issues. Your actions in this thread reinforce those impressions. I wish you the best of luck in your ongoing projects.

Also:

Ceeboo deserves much credit for objectively assessing the relevant evidence and reaching the appropriate conclusion.

Again, you and I will continue to disagree on many things, but I commend you for your admirable degree of personal character as manifest in this thread.

Next:

harmony is a liar.

MrStakhanovite and Spurven Ten Sing are liars.

MsJack is complicit with these three liars.

I also thank Wade and Droopy for standing against the tide of rabid prejudice.

Anyway, I will probably make at least one more comment on this thread before I leave it behind. Until then, I encourage all sincere investigators of the many allegations against me to take advantage of the fact that MsJack included links to the original threads where my statements might be considered in context.

I also recommend the numerous Schryver quotes assembled by Doctor CamNC4Me. Although he failed to include links to the posts where those quotes originate (and also misrepresents many of them), I am, for the most part, very pleased with the things I wrote that he has cited. I encourage a careful reading of those things.

[_MsJack]

The c-word is much more vulgar and derogatory, in my opinion, than the b-word or other slurs. Do you disagree?

More vulgar, yes. More derogatory? That's debatable. I think Tarski said it very well here:

How idiotic of you to claim you would never use the c-word (contra witnesses) and yet freely refer to them using such things as the b-word and then refer to them as "the most repulsive women with whom.....". What is it in the c-word that is bad will? What is contained in that word that isn't already contain in "most repulsive..."? It's like you don't even realize why the c-word is objectionable.

And while I think it's a serious matter to consistently refer to women with derogatory slurs on their identities as women, displaying sexually harassing behavior towards them is far, far worse.

It would surprise me if an active Mormon posting under his own name would use such a nasty word. Even Will.

I disagree. The only thing from William that would surprise me at this point would be a full apology for and cessation of his misbehavior.

I'm curious, too, about your use of another c-word: cad.

I never called you or anyone else specifically a "cad." I said that anyone who would not have some empathy for what harmony has been subjected to is a cad, and I stand by that completely. I guess that could apply to you "if the shoe fits," but I wouldn't know. I don't read every post you write on this forum and have scanned through this thread pretty quickly.

Please don't mistake my comments about the c-word incident as anything other than me speaking my mind about the c-word incident.

Fair enough.

the conflicting testimonies.

I never saw any conflicting testimonies, so feel free to round them up and link to them for me, and I will consider what you post.

My sincere thanks and commendation to “Silver Hammer”

I was pleased with Silver Hammer's participation as well. I'm not sure whether his hasty exit was on account of my realization of his identity or how quickly his transparently agenda-driven analysis fell apart upon cross-examination, but either way, it was certainly the highlight of this thread for me.

All of the quotes cited by MsJack in her OP are, of course, divorced from their context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFlBHTLs0bw

MsJack has done more to damage her own reputation (at least in certain circles) than she ever could have imagined.

Excellent. I never wanted to raise my reputation with Mormon Apologist Perverts Anonymous™ in the first place.

[_Eric]

I said that anyone who would not have some empathy for what harmony has been subjected to is a cad, and I stand by that completely.

Wow.

I never saw any conflicting testimonies, so feel free to round them up and link to them for me, and I will consider what you post.

No... go ahead and read through your own thread, or my posts on it. Due to your statement about being a cad if you don't believe harmony was called a c-word, I think I'm about done.

I'm not the only one unconvinced of this allegation. You should amend it in your OP.

[_MsJack]

No... go ahead and read through your own thread, or my posts on it.

If you can't marshal your own evidence when asked, that's your problem.

Due to your statement about being a cad if you don't believe harmony was called a c-word

Not what I said.