Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[Guest]

''beastlie, you are a lying, deceitful bitch of a woman.''

Will, So I don't need to ask you if you wrote this, you have confirmed that you did.

Nice...

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Next:

harmony is a liar.

I appreciate Will's kind words toward me, but I don't deserve special praise simply for reciting my recollection of what occurred.

But I want my position on one issue to be very, very clear. I do NOT believe for one moment that harmony lied about any of this. She may have been mistaken in her recollection (as I could be in mine) or correct (such as if the "c" word was edited out before I saw it), but I would 'bet the house' that she was not lying. I have "known" harmony for many years (what I mean by "known" is that I have read her posts and sometimes interacted with her on threads here), and my impression is that she is an honest woman who is sincere in her beliefs and words.

[_Buffalo]

'(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)'

Will, did you write this? (yes or no)

Before this game goes on much further, I should note that I have never denied writing anything that I did, in fact, write. I do object to the spin placed on things I have said--divorcing the material from its original context and misrepresenting its meaning, etc.

That said, I did write the above paragraph (and I don't care who you are, it's funny -- LOL!). However, I have since concluded that, in all likelihood, the melon-carrying woman I saw at the Exmo Conference was not Kimberly Ann.

If yes, did you write it because you like Kimberly or dislike her?

I actually like Kimberly very much. I consider her an extremely beautiful, talented, and classy woman. I've spoken a little rough with her on this message board in the past (it is, after all, a rough place), but I have since apologized for some of that rough language. Despite our differences when it comes to the question of Mormonism, the fact is that she and I have much more in common than not. I think we have, to a great extent, identified some mutual interests upon which we can maintain a pleasant relationship. That is my desire, at least.

Does your wife know that you're sexually harassing/hitting on other women on the internet?

[_Will Schryver]

'(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)'

Will, did you write this? (yes or no)

If yes, did you write it because you like Kimberly or dislike her?

I'm not sure how anyone could claim with a straight face that that quote isn't severely misogynist.

You never have been very good with words.

"Misogyny" means, quite simply, a hatred of women.

I do not hate women. Quite to the contrary.

Nor does my quote above, by any objective measure, manifest a hatred of women--something that has now been observed by neutral parties who have carefully examined the "evidence" of my alleged outrages. Again, I want to thank MsJack from the bottom of my heart for having gone to the trouble of researching these things and then initiating this discussion. She has done more to exonerate/defend me from the GSTP propaganda machine than anyone ever has before now. MsJack, you're my hero.

[_Will Schryver]

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harmony is a liar.

I appreciate Will's kind words toward me, but I don't deserve special praise simply for reciting my recollection of what occurred.

But I want my position on one issue to be very, very clear. I do NOT believe for one moment that harmony lied about any of this. She may have been mistaken in her recollection (as I could be in mine) or correct (such as if the "c" word was edited out before I saw it), but I would 'bet the house' that she was not lying. I have "known" harmony for many years (what I mean by "known" is that I have read her posts and sometimes interacted with her on threads here), and my impression is that she is an honest woman who is sincere in her beliefs and words.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. In my opinion, the very nature of the allegations and the way they have been promoted and defended attests deliberate, pre-meditated mendacity.

[_jon]

I do not hate women. Quite to the contrary.

Will, you are being a tad misleading methinks...

It is clear that you 'hate' some women who post here, and clearly you lust after others.

I think you need a time out...

[_Buffalo]

"Misogyny" means, quite simply, a hatred of women.

I do not hate women. Quite to the contrary.

Nor does my quote above, by any objective measure, manifest a hatred of women--something that has now been observed by neutral parties who have carefully examined the "evidence" of my alleged outrages. Again, I want to thank MsJack from the bottom of my heart for having gone to the trouble of researching these things and then initiating this discussion. She has done more to exonerate/defend me from the GSTP propaganda machine than anyone ever has before now. MsJack, you're my hero.

Your choice of words when interacting with women tells us otherwise.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/misogynist:

misogynist (plural misogynists)

One who professes misogyny; a hater of women.
- Confound all women, I say, muttered the young misogynist.

One who displays prejudice against or looks down upon women.

Mr. Schryver's words themselves do nothing to dispel the appearance of misogyny on his part.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Yoda]

Time stamp question---

The time stamps change depending on how each individual poster adjusts it when he or she signs in.

If left unchanged, the board reflects everything in UTC-7 hours.

I currently have my time set at UTC-5 hours in order to match true time for me on the East coast.

That time stamp that I pulled from the Moderator log is going to reflect my chosen time zone.

Since it is impossible for me to access the Moderator logs outside of my time setting, that is why the time stamps are reflected the way they are.

I don't really have the time or inclination to research this further, but that is the basic problem with the time stamps.

In looking at that thread, there were personal attacks flying everywhere...not just at Harmony. I think that Harmony was trying to be as balanced as she could given all that was going on in that thread. On the next page, both Harmony and myself are editing personal attacks right and left that BOTH Will and Kevin are throwing at each other. I will also note that although Harmony was personally attacked by Will, she did not shirk in her Moderator duty when it came to editing Kevin's personal attacks against Will.

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There also appears to be a second personal attack made on Harmony which was also edited, so as far as which post the "c" word may have occurred in based on faulty memories, it could have occurred in the second post.

What certainly does come to bear at the crux of all of this is that Will has an extremely volatile online personality.

One is able to draw his/her own conclusions resoundingly well based on Will's own self-proclaimed writings which are not in any type of dispute.

My feeling is that if the LDS apologetic community is comfortable "hitching themselves to Will's star" then it won't be long before the Church completely disengages any type of official association with them.

I know for a fact that the brethren would not be pleased with the Church being represented, or rather grossly misrepresented in this way.

Eventually, it will come down to economics. Funding for MI still falls under Brigham Young University's umbrella. Who is on the Board of Directors for Brigham Young University? Why, the Quorum of the 12 are!

When the Quorum of the 12 gets wind of this situation...and they will...Brother Schryver will, at the very least, be asked to discontinue any type of contact with these message boards in order for funding to continue.

This could all be avoided if Will would simply publicly apologize for his previous behavior and move on with future civil discourse. However, that is obviously not happening.

Dan Peterson is the only person who I think could have any affect at all on Will's future actions. It will be interesting to see what he has to say when he returns from traveling.

[Guest]

One thing I find “psychologically fascinating” about this thread is all the times people have “swore and declored” (hick term for all you edumacated ones) that if you had actually seen the most heinous of possible human violations actually used, you surely would have put up a huge stink.

The usage and intent seems clear, and Fifteen hours or so later, I’m seeing no outrage?

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Harmony, hopefully you have learned a moderation lesson here about losing the original context of an offensive post. I’d suggested that the time is taken for the above linked post (along with mine and others like it) to be branched off to the Telestial forum, exactly as they are.