Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

I will stand before God at the last day secure in the knowledge of my unwavering loyalty to Him and His Kingdom, and notwithstanding my human weaknesses (of which I have many) I will be redeemed, while apostates like you and dissonance (barring your imminent repentance) will have cause to weep, wail, and gnash your teeth.

Mr. Schryver about a fellow Mormon woman:

I'll treat that disgusting excuse of womanhood however I'd like, thank you. She deserves every word of imprecation I can muster.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Tator]

Will, I can't believe the things that you type that you claim are funny and think that everyone would think is funny. They aren't funny they are pathetic and disgusting. I have never commented on your "work" as a Book of Abraham apologist, in fact I very seldom ever comment on the subject at all. I do read everything about it that comes over the board. I have learned a lot from Kevin, you and many others. I am grateful to learn from all of you.

But for the most part the threads you participate on are like sitting in a professor's class and the professor has Tourette's syndrome. The subject matter proceeds for a while then there is an outburst of insults and vulgar attacks. That is how I see your posting here. It is the outbursts that I have objected to and find repulsive and have called you out on not your contributions to the subject. You have a right to your opinions. The right to argue your ideas. The right to publish and speak at conferences and on and on. But you don't have the right to your outbursts that are over the top and not expect to get called on them. In my opinion and I believe most "normal" "common" "everyday" people believe your outbursts and over the top language are repulsive and not funny. This thread is about your vulgar outbursts not your contributions to the subject matter.

It is very hard to separate your scholarship from your vulgar posts. Your vulgarity makes it harder to take your scholarship seriously. I find it very hard that your fellow apologists would not have the same problem I have. I can't believe that that you could think that your behavior here improves your chances of being published or that it raises your respect in any field of study. I can't believe that the "brethren" can be proud of you. You hurt the church and it's member more than anyone on this board I have seen.

But, you are free to carry on we have all types here.

[_Will Schryver]

Tator:

Will, I can't believe the things that you type that you claim are funny and think that everyone would think is funny.

Well, you know what they say, there’s no accounting for taste.

… the threads you participate on are like sitting in a professor's class and the professor has Tourette's syndrome. The subject matter proceeds for a while then there is an outburst of insults and vulgar attacks. That is how I see your posting here.

Yes, that is how the caricature has been crafted, therefore I’m not surprised to hear you (like everyone else for whom the caricature has become the reality) speak of things in those terms.

You should understand, however, that when someone from outside this bizarro world of The Great and Spacious Trailer Park© comes here and tries to reconcile the caricature with reality, they cannot do it. The facts betray you. As one person, after reviewing this thread, reported to me recently:

"In comment after comment you can often compare their spin on things to your actual quotes, and you’re left to wonder how it is possible for them to believe the two things have any relationship with each other. It is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. You would almost conclude that they’ve had meetings to coordinate the whole thing, to get everyone to agree together that they are going to consistently say such and such about a particular quote. But I doubt that’s how it was done. Instead, I think what we’re looking at is a case of instinctive message coordination, prompted by their common hatred of you and Mormonism in general. I would like to see the thing studied by professional researchers."

(Private e-mail correspondence.)

Tator continues:

You hurt the church and it's member more than anyone on this board I have seen.

Of course, if this were really true, I would be much more popular around here than I am.

[Tator]

quoting Will

I'll treat that disgusting excuse of womanhood however I'd like, thank you. She deserves every word of imprecation I can muster.

V/R
Dr. Cam

What is interesting about that quote is that it can only be found in Rollo's response, quoting him. It was another one of his attacks deleted by Harmony in the original. This was on the controversial "c-word" thread.

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[_beastie]

Of course, if this were really true, I would be much more popular around here than I am.

LOL. You know you're popular. I believe you mentioned right on this thread that no other character on this board would guarantee a 50-page thread the way you do.

Why do you think we pay you so much attention in the first place?

[_Doctor Scratch]

It sure is interesting, Will, that you've been summoning MI apologists to come and review this thread. It's not surprising, either, to hear them reciting the same-old same-old about "context" and "distortion." That's always been the "hail mary" tactic of the Mopologists.

Well, at least there's now no denying that influential people at the MI are fully aware of your behavior. You can continue to backpedal and make denials about them "yukking it up" or being "amused" at your antics, but the fact remains: they are fully aware of your actions, and there response has not been to scold or censure you. They have given a tacit "pass" to your misogynistic behavior.

So, I suppose we'll simply wait till they publish your work (which they might not do after all, in light of all this---it may be seen as too much of a risk), at which time a link will be emailed to the appropriate news outlets.

[_Ceeboo]

Why do you think we pay you so much attention in the first place?

Hello beastie,

I realize that you are asking this to William but I thought I would share my perspective. for what it's worth.

Clearly, in my estimation, it is the "shock value" that makes William as popular as he is.

Simply put, it makes little difference (to some) if you approve of the behavior. It is the very behavior itself that keeps all tuned in and curious as to what will be posted next. (It works, to be sure)

by the way: I happen to believe it is highly desired, by design, and clearly has the effect/impact that was/is intended

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_RockSlider]

by the way: I happen to believe it is highly desired, by design, and clearly has the effect/impact that was/is intended

I tend to agree. It's like watching a train wreck that one just can not turn their eyes from.

However, this "showmanship" surely has potential of turning and rending Will in the future. Seems foolish.

[_Will Schryver]

Scratch:

It sure is interesting, Will, that you've been summoning MI apologists to come and review this thread.

What are you talking about?

I have neither “summoned” any “MI apologists,” nor am I aware of any coming to “review this thread.”

Where do you get this stuff?!

It's not surprising, either, to hear them reciting the same-old same-old about "context" and "distortion." That's always been the "hail mary" tactic of the Mopologists.

Who is “them?”

Well, at least there's now no denying that influential people at the MI are fully aware of your behavior.

“Influential people at the MI …”?

Where do you get this stuff?

You can continue to backpedal and make denials …

Backpedal from what? “Make denials” of what?

Where do you get this stuff?

… about them "yukking it up" or being "amused" at your antics …

Believe me when I say that, if anyone is “yukking it up” or “being amused,” it’s in consequence of your antics, not mine.

… but the fact remains: they are fully aware of your actions …

I don’t think many people, anywhere, let alone in the Maxwell Institute, are “fully aware” or even “faintly aware” of the nature of the Will Schryver caricature that has been manufactured and is aggressively promulgated by the inmates of The Great and Spacious Trailer Park©.

… and there (sic) response has not been to scold or censure you.

Their response has been non-existent, as far as I can tell.

They have given a tacit "pass" to your misogynistic behavior.

You are referring again, of course, to the Will Schryver caricature that has been manufactured and is aggressively promulgated by the inmates of The Great and Spacious Trailer Park©.

Your talent for tall tales is a marvelous work and a wonder.

So, I suppose we'll simply wait till they publish your work (which they might not do after all, in light of all this---it may be seen as too much of a risk), at which time a link will be emailed to the appropriate news outlets.

Don’t be too surprised when you discover that things that seem to have life in the GSTP holodeck lose their material cohesion when one attempts to take them out of this uniquely controlled venue.

[_Jersey Girl]

WS

Furthermore, MsJack has done more to damage her own reputation (at least in certain circles) than she ever could have imagined.

How?