Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_beastie]

3. The implication that those who didn't make a declaration of hate towards Will for his behavior are "cads."

This is simply not true.

[_Eric]

3. The implication that those who didn't make a declaration of hate towards Will for his behavior are "cads."

This is simply not true.

I think it is. Who are the cads, then?

[_beastie]

I think it is. Who are the cads, then?

People who are not able to feel any empathy for what Harmony has endured at Will's hands. Or what I've endured. Or KA. Or liz.

[_Morley]

I think it is. Who are the cads, then?

People who are not able to feel any empathy for what Harmony has endured at Will's hands. Or what I've endured. Or KA. Or liz.

Agree.

[_Eric]

I think it is. Who are the cads, then?

People who are not able to feel any empathy for what Harmony has endured at Will's hands. Or what I've endured. Or KA. Or liz.

And how can you tell if someone is feeling empathy towards you, harmony, KA, liz for what Will has said?

I read MsJack's comments and felt a strong implication that those who weren't on the bandwagon were the targets of her "cad" remarks.

[_beastie]

And how can you tell if someone is feeling empathy towards you, harmony, KA, liz for what Will has said?

I read MsJack's comments and felt a strong implication that those who weren't on the bandwagon were the targets of her "cad" remarks.

Jack did not directly call anyone a cad. She said:

I never called you or anyone else specifically a "cad." I said that anyone who would not have some empathy for what harmony has been subjected to is a cad, and I stand by that completely. I guess that could apply to you "if the shoe fits," but I wouldn't know. I don't read every post you write on this forum and have scanned through this thread pretty quickly.

I have not seen her, or anyone, claim that she could "tell if someone is feeling empathy" towards the victims.

You made a huge jump from Jack's specifications to what would constitute a cad to "not expressing hatred toward Will."

[_3sheets2thewind]

A couple of questions:

1) There were three things that I was testing by changing Will's name to harmony in the quote from Consigs. Can you Identify one or more of them?

2) For those tossing around the Misogyny label, if posters here have some rather nasty things to say about Will, does that mean they are men haters? What if they also say many of the same nasty things about other men, like DCP, myself, Droopy, Nehor, etc? Does that make them men haters?

3) Finally, given what liz indicated about the extensive moderating of not only posts by Will, but Kevin Graham and others as well, what would you think if it were actually Kevin who used the "C" word, but in reference to Will, rather than Will in reference to harmony, which seems to me far more likely, and is what I recall (hint: this relates indirectly to question #1).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I have a question for you Wade, do you approve or disapprove of WS comments at issue in this thread?

Do you, Wade, think there is ever a proper context or time for a person who claims to be a defender of the LDS Church to use a term "circle jerk" - the common meaning of circle jerk and as WS intended is that the woman in question allows numerous men to masturbate and ejaculate on her all at the same time. Call me old fashioned but I really can not find a proper context for such vulgarity, especially from a person to claims to be a defender of the LDS Church - and quite possibly someone who thinks of themself as a professional defender?

Do you, Wade, think there is ever a proper time or context for a married man who claims to be defender of the LDS Church to make numerous post which express his fixation on a woman - not his wife - breasts?

Do you, Wade, think there is ever a proper time or context for a Melchizedek Preisthood holder to be profane, vulgar, or obscene?

I have not read all 38 pages of this, but I have seen numerous claims of WS saying "out of context", but like I said above, maybe I am old fashioned because I really can not think of a proper time or context for many of WS comments about others.

And as for people making similar comments about WS, Droopy, DCP, etc....that is quite different, one would think that those who proclaim to be defenders of the Church would live a different standard.

So again, do you approve or disapprove of the comments of WS at issue in the OP?
Should a defender of the Church be so profane and vulgar?

[_wenglund]

I have a question for you Wade, do you approve or disapprove of WS comments at issue in this thread?

Do you, Wade, think there is ever a proper context or time for a person who claims to be a defender of the LDS Church to use a term "circle jerk" - the common meaning of circle jerk and as WS intended is that the woman in question allows numerous men to masturbate and ejaculate on her all at the same time. Call me old fashioned but I really can not find a proper context for such vulgarity, especially from a person to claims to be a defender of the LDS Church - and quite possibly someone who thinks of themself as a professional defender?

Do you, Wade, think there is ever a proper time or context for a married man who claims to be defender of the LDS Church to make numerous post which express his fixation on a woman - not his wife - breasts?

Do you, Wade, think there is ever a proper time or context for a Melchizedek Preisthood holder to be profane, vulgar, or obscene?

I have not read all 38 pages of this, but I have seen numerous claims of WS saying "out of context", but like I said above, maybe I am old fashioned because I really can not think of a proper time or context for many of WS comments about others.

And as for people making similar comments about WS, Droopy, DCP, etc....that is quite different, one would think that those who proclaim to be defenders of the Church would live a different standard.

So again, do you approve or disapprove of the comments of WS at issue in the OP?
Should a defender of the Church be so profane and vulgar?

Once you answer my questions, I will be happy to answer yours.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Nomad]

the common meaning of circle jerk and as WS intended is that the woman in question allows numerous men to masturbate and ejaculate on her all at the same time.

That is not the definition of a “circle jerk”.

The Urban Dictionary entry includes the following definitions:

circle jerk

1. To kneel in a circle with others and pleasure oneself. Also refers to a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made.

5. Sometimes used to describe an internet forum thread where forum members all give each other kudos.

If one reads Schryver’s reference to “circle jerk” in its original context, there is no question that he was using it as described in the definitions given above.

[_3sheets2thewind]

the common meaning of circle jerk and as WS intended is that the woman in question allows numerous men to masturbate and ejaculate on her all at the same time.

That is not the definition of a “circle jerk”.

The Urban Dictionary entry includes the following definitions:

circle jerk

1. To kneel in a circle with others and pleasure oneself. Also refers to a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made.

5. Sometimes used to describe an internet forum thread where forum members all give each other kudos.

If one reads Schryver’s reference to “circle jerk” in its original context, there is no question that he was using it as described in the definitions given above.

since when is the urban dictionary a reliable source?

now, lets selective take the top definitions of "maginot line" from Urban Dictionary

Maginot Line 13 up, 4 down

buy maginot line mugs, tshirts and magnets
Another word for "Speed bump"
BUMP BUMP
Guy:What was that?
Guy2: The Maginot line

Maginot Line 17 up, 8 down

buy maginot line mugs, tshirts and magnets
Proof of the French's incompetence.
Frenchie#1: We must stop the Germans and show off to the pathetic USA!
Frenchie#2: Oui, let us build a huge defensive wall with cannons and guns that only face one direction!
Frenchie#1: Brilliant! uhh.. what is the German army doing behind our wall?
Frenchie#2: Damn cheaters, they went around! No fair! Time out! wahhhhhhhhhh!
GOD: hehehehe, silly french people...


since that is definition 2 and 3 on Urban Dictionary, I can say for a fact that "maginot line" is french for speed bump?