Welcome to the Millennium

[_zeezrom]

600+2011= 2611 years

Who's accounting of time are you using here? Not only is God's time scale different than ours but his must also be elastic, meaning sometimes 1 manyear = 1000 godyears and at other times 1 manyear = 0.001 godyear. It just depends on the situation...

[_Bond James Bond]

600+2011= 2611 years

Who's accounting of time are you using here? Not only is God's time scale different than ours but his must also be elastic, meaning sometimes 1 manyear = 1000 godyears and at other times 1 manyear = 0.001 godyear. It just depends on the situation...

Perhaps there is no God and we simply must fall back on scientific measurements of time. That seems much easier.

[_JudgemeGod]

Thank you so much for your posts.
I am all way greatful when someone responds to my posts. I am allways sorry
it take me so long to get back.

I use one time line from the LDS Bible I bought in the 1970's before they
started removing the pre flood sections. There are a lot of time lines
Wikipedia has a few. I think if we use the time 1657 when Noah and his family leave
the ark and then use the oldest known continuous dates for civilizations we can get
a better temperal age of man. If we use the Hebrew calender it is 5771

I like to use Egyptian history because the time lines are unbroken for the greatest time.
If we use King Menes at 3050BCE then add 1657 for pre-flood, and we know
it should be longer but for ease of not knowing Menes to ("Egyptus") time we will not
count it. we get 4707 years BCE creation. We add 2011ACE we get 6718 years.
We are well into the Millennium. Now you can count all the judges and kings you
want but I like simple. The Egyptian timeline is much easyer to follow.

The Neho seems to be about as pleasent as his picture but I can't see how he figures
TIME

Yes, which is why I think we have at least a few decades and expect we have centuries.

I think you are mistaken. Most of the biblical time discrepancies come between Joseph of Egypt and the reighns of the kings. Most of it would be during the time of the Judges.

This is why I use a more reliable source of dates. Your Bible has to many "discrepancies". As well as your Book of Mormon and Abraham.

Do a little more research. The LDS faith does not believe in a rapture.

I am very aware the Mormons do not believe in a rapture. Perhaps they should.
It is easy to see that the rightous are gone and we are left with this world and
all these wicked people. Including me and you.

You weren't promised any peace.

How little you know.


Beefcalf

When I was a kid, listening to church leaders way back when, we were told repeatedly that we were the very choicest spirits, saved to come to Earth in the last days, so we could be here to stand valiant at Christ's second coming.

I'm now in my mid 40's and MY children are getting old enough to have their own kids.

I'll bet lots of other folks here heard that same crap when they were kids.

You are correct. Including W. Woodruff He was told in his Pa blessing given by
Joseph Smith sr he would live to the coming of Christ. I have know many people who are now
dead who had the same promise.

Speaking of the JWs not getting it right. What has the Mormons gotten right ?

And last,
God does not have time. Only mortals have time.

Thanks

[_beefcalf]

JudgemeGod,

Thanks for tidbit on Wilford Woodruff's patriarchal blessing... I hadn't seen that one before.

What's really weird is that this blessing was given by Joseph Smith, Senior, and it appears to have a major error in it, with the failed prophesy of Woodruff living to see the 2nd coming and all...

My guess is that some anti-Mormon must have gotten to it and inserted/modified the text so as to make Smith, Sr. look bad. Either that or the Devil made the changes to lead away the souls of men. Definitely one of the two.

[_The Nehor]

I use one time line from the LDS Bible I bought in the 1970's before they
started removing the pre flood sections. There are a lot of time lines
Wikipedia has a few. I think if we use the time 1657 when Noah and his family leave
the ark and then use the oldest known continuous dates for civilizations we can get
a better temperal age of man. If we use the Hebrew calender it is 5771

So it shouldn't be here yet.

I like to use Egyptian history because the time lines are unbroken for the greatest time.
If we use King Menes at 3050BCE then add 1657 for pre-flood, and we know
it should be longer but for ease of not knowing Menes to ("Egyptus") time we will not
count it. we get 4707 years BCE creation. We add 2011ACE we get 6718 years.
We are well into the Millennium. Now you can count all the judges and kings you
want but I like simple. The Egyptian timeline is much easyer to follow.

That you like the Egyptian timeline does not make it accurate. The early Egyptian dynasties had antedileuvian lifespans so it's unlikely they fit neatly after Egyptus.

The Neho seems to be about as pleasent as his picture but I can't see how he figures

Thanks and probably not.

TIME

Yes, which is why I think we have at least a few decades and expect we have centuries.

I think you are mistaken. Most of the biblical time discrepancies come between Joseph of Egypt and the reighns of the kings. Most of it would be during the time of the Judges.

This is why I use a more reliable source of dates. Your Bible has to many "discrepancies". As well as your Book of Mormon and Abraham.

The records of Egyptian dynasties? That there are no discrepancies does not make it work. There are few discrepancies in Tolkien's mythology but I'm not going to accept it as an accurate account of the ending of the Third Age.

Do a little more research. The LDS faith does not believe in a rapture.

I am very aware the Mormons do not believe in a rapture. Perhaps they should.
It is easy to see that the rightous are gone and we are left with this world and
all these wicked people. Including me and you.

I know too many righteous to believe this. Also, I have noticed that God rarely spares His people the tribulations of difficult times. Why should the End of the World be any different?

You weren't promised any peace.

How little you know.

Who promised you peace then? The peace the Savior promised to his Apostles that remained with them as they were imprisoned, tortured, and killed?

That there is a promise for? Other then that, nope.

[_Nightlion]

Who promised you peace then? The peace the Savior promised to his Apostles that remained with them as they were imprisoned, tortured, and killed?

That there is a promise for? Other then that, nope.

D&C 45:66-71
66 And it shall be called the New Jerusalem, a land of peace, a city of refuge, a place of safety for the saints of the Most High God;
67 And the glory of the Lord shall be there, and the terror of the Lord also shall be there, insomuch that the wicked will not come unto it, and it shall be called Zion.
68 And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety.
69 And there shall be gathered unto it out of every nation under heaven; and it shall be the only people that shall not be at war one with another.
70 And it shall be said among the wicked: Let us not go up to battle against Zion, for the inhabitants of Zion are terrible; wherefore we cannot stand.
71 And it shall come to pass that the righteous shall be gathered out from among all nations, and shall come to Zion, singing with songs of everlasting joy.

But then the LDS are not thinking about Zion anymore. Why? Because they have no power.

[_JudgemeGod]

I find it fasinating what The Nehor thinks he knows. Just because I like
a good argument and some one who thinks they know something.
I will let you in on a little secret.

First, How many of your apostles have you personally known ?
How many have called you friend ?
How many have you personnally talked to ?

I have talked to
Hunter
Faust
Monson ( Yes Tommy )
Eyring
Hales
Maxwell
Oaks
and others
I was offered a blessing from one of them, It caught me by surpize,
which I accepted.

How many people who have died and come back have you talked to ?
I have talked to four.

How many miracles have you seen ? The ones the doctors say can't happen.
How many seer stones have you seen ?
How many walking stones ? These move on their own ...
Sprits of the dead ?


If you are active LDS and are a man I assume you have the "presthood".
How many angels have ministered to you ? Visions ? Miracles ?
If you have the faith to heal and the person is not ordained to die can
you heal them ?
Can the spirit tell you I have been promised peace by
those who you claim to be prophets ? Or do you know better ?

You weren't promised any peace.

Back to my subject.
If the family of Adam is greater then 6000 year old then we are in the Millennium or
past the end. Or the Mormon church is not true.
We are well past this based on historys in India, Egypt, Iraq (Sumer), China and others.
If I pick up a Fremont indian artifact that is older then 5000 years old your creation and
timeline falls apart.


Welcome to the Millennium

I hope this is your idea of peace and paradise.

[_The Nehor]

I find it fasinating what The Nehor thinks he knows. Just because I like
a good argument and some one who thinks they know something.
I will let you in on a little secret.

I don't think I know. I am just sure you do not.

First, How many of your apostles have you personally known ?

Two.

How many have called you friend ?

None, but most people don't refer to friends as 'friend' when they are there.

How many have you personnally talked to ?

One-on-one? One. In a personal small-group setting, three.

I have talked to
Hunter
Faust
Monson ( Yes Tommy )
Eyring
Hales
Maxwell
Oaks
and others
I was offered a blessing from one of them, It caught me by surpize,
which I accepted.

So I'm supposed to think you know what you are talking about because you've talked with apostles? Not impressed here. Having a chance to chat with Apostles is more a function of who you know and/or are related to rather then some barometer of spirituality.

How many people who have died and come back have you talked to ?

A few.

I have talked to four.

Keep at it.

How many miracles have you seen ?

A couple

The ones the doctors say can't happen.

Most were not medical.

How many seer stones have you seen ?

One.

How many walking stones ?

????

These move on their own ...

Okay.

Sprits of the dead ?

A few.

If you are active LDS and are a man I assume you have the "presthood".

Learn to spell.

How many angels have ministered to you ?

Don't know. Hard to tell the difference between them.

Visions ?

Two.

Miracles ?

Many.

If you have the faith to heal and the person is not ordained to die can
you heal them ?

If they have the faith to be healed, sure.

Can the spirit tell you I have been promised peace by
those who you claim to be prophets ? Or do you know better ?

Depends on what kind of peace you are talking about.

Back to my subject.

Good, I was tired of your silly pissing contest.

If the family of Adam is greater then 6000 year old then we are in the Millennium or
past the end.

Nope.

Or the Mormon church is not true.

I do not accept your premises.

We are well past this based on historys in India, Egypt, Iraq (Sumer), China and others.

And?

If I pick up a Fremont indian artifact that is older then 5000 years old your creation and
timeline falls apart.

It actually doesn't.

Welcome to the Millennium

I hope this is your idea of peace and paradise.

You just go on thinking that.

[_JudgemeGod]

Thanks The Nehor for the responces.

I do not claim to be spiritual but I enjoy observing people who claim to be.
As far as my spelling I can't seem to spell anything right if it needs vowels.
I am not taking the time to check my spelling or I could not respond to you
in a timely maner, and I sure like to see what you have to say in responce.

You are quite right your relationships have more to do with what church athoritys you
know then how rightous you are or how smart.

I really don't care a whole lot if you believe me or not. It is your choice and I am
sure you choose not too.
I do care how you feel about what I say. How you
feel about other people getting honor and praise around you and how you lash out
or hold it in. I care about what you think you know and how you came to know it.

Spencer Kimball use to complane about why he had to be the Prophet he asked why
H.B.Lee could not have lived longer. He was told that if H.B.Lee had lived longer he
would have been in pain. B. McConkie use to complain about having to be the expert
on the scriptures. He use to have a silly joke if he asked you how you were and if you
said good he would say no man is good save God.
A lot of people do not like the positions they are put in even thought so many others
envey them.

welcome to the Millennium the time of the old world is past and we are all here to
find peace.

even us heathens.

[_Nightlion]

Another measure that can possibly be deducted from the reckoning of time from the days of Adam is that the full on temporal existence of the world was counted some time after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Moses 5:13-14
13 And Satan came among them, saying: I am also a son of God; and he commanded them, saying: Believe it not; and they believed it not, and they loved Satan more than God. And men began from that time forth to be carnal, sensual, and devilish.
14 And the Lord God called upon men by the Holy Ghost everywhere and commanded them that they should repent;

Generations of the children of Adam and Eve came before this event. This is how Cain had a community of those who loved Satan more than God, from whom he took a wife.

A certain time passed when men were considered fallen, carnal, sensual and devilish, or temporal. This could have been a few hundred years after the actual fall of Adam and Eve. The earth was closer to God as that the Holy Ghost could call upon men to repent. That sort of thing is a far cry from our condition these days.

If the Jewish or Hebrew calender is figured from creation it probably counts no time for the Garden of Eden's duration. And the above allows for an actual reckoning even possibly some time after Adam and Eve were expelled.

Or there might be a few hundred years tacked on to the Hebrew calender. So ??? I completely toss out any science dating of any civilization. Stupid.