Top TBM Apologists

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Who are the top 3 popular/influential TBM apologists?

 
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_Kishkumen
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Kevin Graham wrote:Will Schryver is an unknown across the board. He has never been published, and has only given one presentation at a conference mainly attended by the only people who already knew who he was. He is an uneducated middle-aged hack with nary a credential, and he has already alienated himself from some quality LDS scholars. So I don't expect the general LDS public to connect with him when they come across his petulant antics either. The more people know about Schryver, the more they want nothing to do with him. His only supporters are Wade Englund and his sock puppets.

Speaking of which, no one knows who the hell wade is either.


Obviously it is to the Church's advantage that neither Will nor Wade have "made it" in the world of apologetics to the point that people would actively seek out their "wisdom" and "learning."

And, the funny thing about imagining that there is some conspiracy against these guys is that most of us probably imagine that the most strategically wise thing to do in order to harm the LDS Church, if that indeed were anyone's goal (and clearly for some folks it is), would have been to make it seem like Will were respected in a way, like Dr. Peterson. Then, when he made the mistake of putting himself out there in earnest, we would have watched with glee as the whole house of cards collapsed.

But seriously, Darrick is known for his book. Lots of missionaries read that book. And, even though it is a problematic book, as is Palmer's Insider's View, it is the way it packages certain information that lends it popularity. Based on the purposely obfuscatory approach of Schryver, I would say that he is unlikely to be known for much of anything outside of the continuing effort to put up the appearance of defending the Book of Abraham by dashing into whatever unlit corner there is and planting the apologetic flag there. In this, however, he is working well within the current vogue of apologetics for the antiquity of LDS scripture.
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Nomad, Simon, and Stem, in that order.

I actually voted for Pahoran, Schryver, and Midgley. I gauged it by how much hate is being leveled by those who post on this board. (it used to be Peterson, but even with Scratch's insanity, he seems to have been passed up.
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stemelbow wrote:I gauged it by how much hate is being leveled by those who post on this board. (it used to be Peterson, but even with Scratch's insanity, he seems to have been passed up.


Fascinating! Thanks, stem. Your votes are lending further credence to my hypothesis that apologists, even reasonably sane fellows like you, imagine that the ire of critics is somehow indicative of apologetic effectiveness and success.

Sure, it is emotionally gratifying in a very primitive way to see one's opponents discomfited, but it seems to me that the goal of apologetics should be more sophisticated and have a healthier, more sustaining aim: the presentation of a credible image of what Mormonism is against the caricatures thrust upon it by its critics.

Success at the former does not necessarily contribute to, and can actually compromise, the latter.
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The dead ones are still quoted and referred to, all the time: McConkie, J.F.Smith, Nibley, Roberts (among others). Perhaps they should be on the list. If you're going with the quick (and not the dead), why isn't Bushman here? You're kidding me.
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Kishkumen wrote:Fascinating! Thanks, stem. Your votes are lending further credence to my hypothesis that apologists, even reasonably sane fellows like you, imagine that the ire of critics is somehow indicative of apologetic effectiveness and success.


I really didn't take the poll seriously. While I can appreciate the mind's of these gentlemen (I know that's a very loose use of the term here but whatever), as they have each exhibited from time to time thoughtful ideas and concepts from what I've read, I really don't think none of the three are truly the "Top apologists". And in truth, generally, their own polarizing style is, or at least, can be problematic to the cause of defending the faith altogether. It was all tongue in cheek, but the fact that they are all so hated here is worth noting anyway. Just because.

Sure, it is emotionally gratifying in a very primitive way to see one's opponents discomfited, but it seems to me that the goal of apologetics should be more sophisticated and have a healthier, more sustaining goal: the presentation of a credible image of what Mormonism is against the caricatures thrust upon it by its critics.

Success at the former does not necessarily contribute to, and can actually compromise, the latter.


I actually agree completely with you and am disheartened I did not think to put it so thoughtfully. Thanks.
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Re: Top TBM Apologists

Post by _Simon Belmont »

Doctor Scratch wrote:Shouldn't the question say "Mopologists"?


That isn't a word. It's a juvenile portmanteau that you and your buddies made up as an epithet.
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Simon Belmont wrote:That isn't a word. It's a juvenile portmanteau that you and your buddies made up as an epithet.


LOL. Lovely usage there (portmanteau), Simon, and, unlike others, right on target. Although, I would hardly agree that it is juvenile so much as satirical and jaunty. As a person so devoted to avoiding the charge of being grimly humorless, surely you want to give such petty charges a wide berth.
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stemelbow wrote:I actually agree completely with you and am disheartened I did not think to put it so thoughtfully. Thanks.


Well, it was surely just luck, since I am an evil scheming apostate of the deepest dye whose only waking thought and secret pleasure is to destroy everything good and holy. Just ask the red meat apologists on this list, and I am sure they will happily set you straight. Indeed, the fact that it was I who said such a thing surely discredits it and reveals it to be a wicked, devious ruse.

LOL. See how that works?
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Kishkumen wrote:Well, it was surely just luck, since I am an evil scheming apostate of the deepest dye whose only waking thought and secret pleasure is to destroy everything good and holy. Just ask the red meat apologists on this list, and I am sure they will happily set you straight. Indeed, the fact that it was I who said such a thing surely discredits it and reveals it to be a wicked, devious ruse.

LOL. See how that works?


I see. NOw I know the tricks of the trade and I feel my own influence shall rise above that of all three fellows combined.

I have been so naïve. Now its time to reign supreme.
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:Shouldn't the question say "Mopologists"?


That isn't a word. It's a juvenile portmanteau that you and your buddies made up as an epithet.


I would have to defend the use of Mopologetics.

a·pol·o·get·ics
   [uh-pol-uh-jet-iks] Show IPA
–noun ( used with a singular verb )
the branch of theology concerned with the defense or proof of christianity.

Every sect of Christianity should have a separate designation. Since Christianity is not ONE it cannot be defended as ONE.

Now, if say, someone were to be in defense of the Christianity that came by way of the Restoration of the power of godliness, then there is only one guy capable and proven doing that.......ME! Yawn. Nobody cares.

So mopologists is aptly named because they are defending latter-day Mormonism. And I mean the latest version of Mormonism. The fallen version. The arrogance of the Gentiles version. Selling guided tours and books of fables Mormonism.
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