The church office building is ENORMOUS!

[_Obiwan]

Is that where FAIR/FARMS is?

Do you see what we LDS have to deal with?
Critics don't even know and can't even get the BASICS right for anything related to Mormonism.

1. Fair/Farms are two completely separate and different organizations.
2. Neither are "affiliated" with the Church in any way.
3. FARMS (now the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship) is only "loosely" associated with the Church in that it's an arm of BYU's religion/scholarship departments. Colleges of the Church however are not the Church, so even it is separate and is not ran by the Church. It is a religious scholarship group ran by BYU.
4. FAIR is an entirely "private" non-profit group ran by volunteers who are simply members of the Church (a few also not). It's a group that started with the Internet age, seeing that there needed to be an LDS presence of scholarship on the web, said group was created to combat anti-mormon misinformation. Thus, this group also is not ran by the Church.
5. Therefore, neither group is located at the Church Office Building. NAMIRS is ran out of BYU and FAIR is simply ran out of a Computer Server or two that volunteers mostly who are members of the Church run and operate.

FYI.... :(

[_Runtu]

Do you see what we LDS have to deal with?
Critics don't even know and can't even get the BASICS right for anything related to Mormonism.

So, you're mocking a Catholic who isn't particularly critical of the church simply because he's asking questions about the office building? Why the hostility?

[_sock puppet]

Is that where FAIR/FARMS is?

Do you see what we LDS have to deal with?
Critics don't even know and can't even get the BASICS right for anything related to Mormonism.

1. Fair/Farms are two completely separate and different organizations.
2. Neither are "affiliated" with the Church in any way.

No, no affiliation at all. Where does NAMIRS (formerly FARMS), a part of BYU, get its funding? LDS Church. Do you see what we LDS critics have to deal with? Bald faced lies, like #2.

3. FARMS (now the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship) is only "loosely" associated with the Church in that it's an arm of BYU's religion/scholarship departments. Colleges of the Church however are not the Church, so even it is separate and is not ran by the Church. It is a religious scholarship group ran by BYU.

BYU is owned and funded by the LDS Church. The Brethren have had BYU professors fired. NAMIRS is owned and funded by the LDS Church. Do you see what we LDS critics have to deal with? Bald faced lies, like #3.

[_Runtu]

BYU is owned and funded by the LDS Church. The Brethren have had BYU professors fired. NAMIRS is owned and funded by the LDS Church. Do you see what we LDS critics have to deal with? Bald faced lies, like #3.

I must say that denying that BYU is owned and operated by the church is a novel apologetic. It's almost as good as calling the facsimiles "useless."

[_sock puppet]

BYU is owned and funded by the LDS Church. The Brethren have had BYU professors fired. NAMIRS is owned and funded by the LDS Church. Do you see what we LDS critics have to deal with? Bald faced lies, like #3.

I must say that denying that BYU is owned and operated by the church is a novel apologetic. It's almost as good as calling the facsimiles "useless."

Obiwan seems to have outflanked Simon Belmont, stemelbow and bcspace.

[_bcspace]

My dad used to work in downtown Dallas in the 1970's and 80's. The COB is small potatoes.

[_moksha]

I must say that denying that BYU is owned and operated by the church is a novel apologetic.

This could have been due to simple forgetfulness, much like what happened when President Joseph F. Smith could not remember who owned the Deseret News when asked about it during the Senate Hearings for Reed Smoot.

[_moksha]

My dad used to work in downtown Dallas in the 1970's and 80's. The COB is small potatoes.

Compared to the Houston Space Center, it is miniscule. However, it could be like the Tardis being much larger on the inside. For instance, it has the Mantle which we all know to be greater.

[_Simon Belmont]

Simon-

You missed one of the questions:

"Or are you saying that Mormons should also move out of America (or other countries) if they don't like the culture(s)?"

How is telling someone who doesn't like Utah to move any different than telling Mormons to stop complaining and move when they don't like the environment?

I don't think the question applies at all. I love America and its culture. Most LDS in America do, I suspect.

[_Simon Belmont]

Simon,

It's a well-established fact that Latter-Day Saints receive great blessings for following the gospel and keeping the commandments and their covenants.

Yes it is.

It seems that in order for Utah to have, overall, the same amounts of problems as other places, and since it has highly-blessed Latter-Day Saints making up some 60% of the population, it follows that it must have a non-LDS population which suffers under a higher rate of cursings-per-capita than the non-LDS citizens of other states in order for it to all equal out.

No. Blessings are personal, and not only LDS can receive them. Everyone can.