The Nehor wrote:That's easy. He wants to mock the Church while portraying himself as a victim. The local Church leaders are portrayed as sinister without being bad enough to kick him out. His BP told him he would be "monitored"? He used that word? His family thinks he is gay and Satanic over this? Right......
I don't think it's all that implausible for this to have happened. Several people told me I must be having an affair (more than one thought I was having an affair with a man), several people told me I was following Satan, an erstwhile friend told a lot of people I was likely a sexual predator (and mentally ill), and my wife got emails saying that people were watching me and that she had better put a stop to my nefarious activities, or bad things would happen.
All of this happened to me. Have I mocked the church and some of its members? Sure. Am I a victim? No. What makes his story so much more unbelievable than mine? (Mind you, I'm quite sure that not only Will, Nomad, and bcspace think I made up most of my story, but it is the truth.)
I think the leaders of the Church have every right to clean house if they want to. My guess is that Dehlin hasn't undergone disciplinary action because those in charge believe that the social consequences would be too great. If they could safely prune Dehlin, I think they would.
brade wrote:I think the leaders of the Church have every right to clean house if they want to. My guess is that Dehlin hasn't undergone disciplinary action because those in charge believe that the social consequences would be too great. If they could safely prune Dehlin, I think they would.
What leaders? The GAs could care less of john dehlin and his internet 'fame'. They are busy doing other things. And what would be the social consequences? The church is a worldwide church. The members in europe and other parts of the world have never heard of John Dehlin. If John is leading members away from the LDS church, well, that would be different. But really, the church leaders have no concern for john dehlin and his activities outside of wishing that he would come back to the fold as they would any member.
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brade wrote:I think the leaders of the Church have every right to clean house if they want to. My guess is that Dehlin hasn't undergone disciplinary action because those in charge believe that the social consequences would be too great. If they could safely prune Dehlin, I think they would.
What leaders? The GAs could care less of john dehlin and his internet 'fame'. They are busy doing other things. And what would be the social consequences? The church is a worldwide church. The members in europe and other parts of the world have never heard of John Dehlin. If John is leading members away from the LDS church, well, that would be different. But really, the church leaders have no concern for john dehlin and his activities outside of wishing that he would come back to the fold as they would any member.
Wow. When did you start talking to GA's about John? I didn't know you had the inside scoop.
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brade wrote:I think the leaders of the Church have every right to clean house if they want to. My guess is that Dehlin hasn't undergone disciplinary action because those in charge believe that the social consequences would be too great. If they could safely prune Dehlin, I think they would.
What leaders? The GAs could care less of john dehlin and his internet 'fame'. They are busy doing other things. And what would be the social consequences? The church is a worldwide church. The members in europe and other parts of the world have never heard of John Dehlin. If John is leading members away from the LDS church, well, that would be different. But really, the church leaders have no concern for john dehlin and his activities outside of wishing that he would come back to the fold as they would any member.
It's great that you are so incredibly attuned to the minds of the general authorities. Do you know what Monson's hankering for for dinner tonight?
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The Nehor wrote:That's easy. He wants to mock the Church while portraying himself as a victim. The local Church leaders are portrayed as sinister without being bad enough to kick him out. His BP told him he would be "monitored"? He used that word? His family thinks he is gay and Satanic over this? Right......
Note the BP (i.e. no bishop). The man frequents StayLDS, is (was) holding multiple key positions in his branch (including member of EQ pres and scouting). Thus we can assume a smaller group of saints where every shoulder to the wheel counts. Your summation here is horribly wrong. I wonder however, if you even care?
The real tragedy here seems to be for his branch. By his family bringing him to light of the SP, the letter of the law must be applied for the EQ position (must hold TR) and the scare of his new apostate label wiping out his other callings.
The man was part of the solution, not part of the problem. I suspect they will lose him totally, over time, as his need to serve will find other opportunities.
why me wrote:What leaders? The GAs could care less of john dehlin and his internet 'fame'. They are busy doing other things. And what would be the social consequences? The church is a worldwide church. The members in europe and other parts of the world have never heard of John Dehlin. If John is leading members away from the LDS church, well, that would be different. But really, the church leaders have no concern for john dehlin and his activities outside of wishing that he would come back to the fold as they would any member.
I seem to recall a certain GA getting involved in weeding out unorthodox members some 18 years ago. It may be a worldwide church, and the leadership is busy, but not too busy to deal with potential threats, no matter how localized.
RockSlider wrote:Your summation here is horribly wrong. I wonder however, if you even care?
Maybe it's just me, but Nehor seems to be a lot more knee-jerk hostile to unbelievers than he was before. But, no, he probably doesn't care. Reading Nehor's response, I wondered if he'd read the same posts I had. Oh, well. It really sucks going through a crisis of faith, and it's even worse when some relatives seem to think you need to be shamed by your priesthood leaders.
The real tragedy here seems to be for his branch. By his family bringing him to light of the SP, the letter of the law must be applied for the EQ position (must hold TR) and the scare of his new apostate label wiping out his other callings.
The man was part of the solution, not part of the problem. I suspect they will lose him totally, over time, as his need to serve will find other opportunities.
You're probably right. People generally don't stay in an organization in which they know they are not wanted.
why me wrote:What leaders? The GAs could care less of john dehlin and his internet 'fame'. They are busy doing other things. And what would be the social consequences? The church is a worldwide church. The members in europe and other parts of the world have never heard of John Dehlin. If John is leading members away from the LDS church, well, that would be different. But really, the church leaders have no concern for john dehlin and his activities outside of wishing that he would come back to the fold as they would any member.
Like bcspace, I normally don't bother responding to you. Can't contain myself.
your an idiot.
current church activity rate 18% and bleeding - 6.5 billion dollar mall in progress, could hit 10b - my guess they are losing much sleep over the "who's John Galt" of the middle way
Kishkumen wrote:. . . Lou Midgley has recently locked horns with Kerry Shirts . . .
Details, please? When/where/what venue?
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