Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Kishkumen]

It is interesting to observe that, without DCP and me, activity on this message board decreases to just a notch above the imperceptible. It appears that, absent the motivation only we can provide, you rapidly lose the capacity to focus the increasingly moribund energy of the GSTP hive mind.

Sort of like the attention paid to you outside of this board? Without these discussions, people would barely know you exist.

[_Kevin Graham]

No kidding. Just try googling his name and see what comes up.

But his claim is ridiculous. I doubt DCP or Will are involved in even 2% of the threads on this forum.

[_Will Schryver]

Oh, hi there, Will. I was under the impression that you'd fled the scene in fear.

Ever the fantasist.

You stated, earlier in the thread, that the MI people have no problem with your antics, and you suggested that many of them actually find your online behavior "funny."

I said nothing of the sort.

I did hint that some people find your antics amusing.

As for the senior MI apologists who was summoned.... Well, do you really not know?

I'm afraid I do not. I don't believe any such thing happened.

*Some*body alerted "Silver Hammer" to what was happening here.

And who is "Silver Hammer," pray tell?

Did they really leave you in the dark about "Silver Hammer's" identity?

Who is "they?"

In any case, I do not know Silver Hammer's identity.

Or did you guys all agree that your best best is to play dumb?

Who is "you guys?"

All that said, I do have kind of a separate question involving your conflicts with other junior-tier apologists ...

I am not conscious of any such "conflicts." At least as far as I'm concerned. I cannot speak for others. I will say that I am confident that anyone who hops on the GSTP "Silence Schryver" bandwagon will only harm themselves in the long run. It's already happened to some.

[_beastie]

I said nothing of the sort.

I did hint that some people find your antics amusing.

Earlier Schryver

You might be interested in the fact that a couple people were once given the task of investigating the basis for the oft-repeated claim of my wanton vulgarity. What was the result of this rather exhaustive investigation? It was that, although a few minor blushes were induced (amidst the belly laughs[), there was deemed to be virtually no substantive basis for the allegations; quotes were found to have been routinely taken out of context, thus entirely altering their true meaning, and a large proportion of the "vulgarities" attributed to me were entirely fabricated out of whole cloth (like, for example, the frequently repeated allegation that I called the golden-haired Kimberly Ann a "whore.")

(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)

It was, I must confess, ascertained that I did, in fact, obliquely refer to beastlie and dissonance (once each, as I recall) with variants on the appellative "bitch." But it was concluded that my judgment was so near to the facts of the matter that I could not be convicted by a jury of my peers. LOL! Nevertheless, I have long since refrained from any similar rhetorical excesses, notwithstanding the severe violence thus inflicted against my natural tendencies.

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by the way, the "investigators" who believe that you didn't call KA a whore must not be very familiar with the Book of Mormon.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I am not conscious of any such "conflicts." At least as far as I'm concerned. I cannot speak for others. I will say that I am confident that anyone who hops on the GSTP "Silence Schryver" bandwagon will only harm themselves in the long run. It's already happened to some.

Hello Mr. Schryver,

I'm not sure anyone wants you silenced. I think we just want you to stop calling women bitches & insinuating that they're whores.

That said, I think you're probably a pretty decent fellow. Unfortunately, you've hurt yourself with your online persona reference your apologia. You should probably think about your way ahead because the two are incompatible.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Doctor Scratch]

Thanks for re-posting the evidence, Beastie.

[_Kishkumen]

I will say that I am confident that anyone who hops on the GSTP "Silence Schryver" bandwagon will only harm themselves in the long run. It's already happened to some.

Rest assured, Will, that most critics of Mormonism are happy to see you behave like a jackass online. They probably have no desire to see you stop and thereby save the LDS Church embarrassment and discredit. It is more likely that those who try to reform you or bring your misbehavior to broader LDS attention do so out of concern for the LDS Church, not a desire to harm it.

You really give yourself far too much credit when you get that reversed.

[_Will Schryver]

Thanks for re-posting the evidence, Beastie.

Evidence of what?

[_Will Schryver]

Rest assured, Will, that most critics of Mormonism are happy to see you behave like a jackass online.

No wonder so many of them seem unhappy all the time.

It is more likely that those who try to reform you or bring your misbehavior to broader LDS attention do so out of concern for the LDS Church, not a desire to harm it.

Right off hand, I can't think of another less-self-aware apostate evangelist than yourself. As hard as it is to believe, I really think you were 100% serious when you wrote this line.

You really give yourself far too much credit ...

Not nearly as much as you people give yourselves for having influence that extends beyond this place. Rest assured, "Kishkumen," that the propaganda caricatures fabricated here in the GSTP (whether of DCP, myself, or others) have no reality outside these virtual walls.

[_Kishkumen]

You really give yourself far too much credit ...

Not nearly as much as you people give yourselves for having influence that extends beyond this place. Rest assured, "Kishkumen," that the propaganda caricatures fabricated here in the GSTP (whether of DCP, myself, or others) have no reality outside these virtual walls.

Believe me when I say I have no illusions at this point concerning any influence I might have. I now start from the assumption that I have none. Nor do I aspire to any. You are the one who is obviously consumed with the task of bringing all kinds of attention to yourself. I don't begrudge you that attention any longer. Enjoy it. Get what you can from it. I really don't care.