just me wrote:Meh. Honestly, I don't think I could handle having a bunch of men judge me while I sat there with no real support. It would be emotionally traumatic for me.
Why would you even show up?
Why would you be willing to awknowledge their assumption of authority?
Resignation pulls their authority card.
When I see my former stake president or bishop, I address them by their first name. It ought to be a sobering reminder to them that authority is a liscence that is afforded/revoked by man - not God.
just me wrote:Meh. Honestly, I don't think I could handle having a bunch of men judge me while I sat there with no real support. It would be emotionally traumatic for me.
Suck it up. Why make yourself a victim for being a member of the weaker sex?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
LDSToronto wrote:I've been to many hangin's, and I kinda fancy goin' to my own.
H.
I wouldn't exactly call them hangins. Lets look at it this way: If I am a bishop and I choose to mess around with a cute gal, I know that if I am caught, I will face my day of reckoning. But it was my choice to mess around and so can I complain of a hangin?
Now, I do know of many women who have gotten off with a slap of the wrist.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
just me wrote:Meh. Honestly, I don't think I could handle having a bunch of men judge me while I sat there with no real support. It would be emotionally traumatic for me.
Suck it up. Why make yourself a victim for being a member of the weaker sex?
What the hell are you talking about? I wouldn't want to sit in a room and be judged by a bunch of women with no emotional support, either.
Your sexism is showing.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
My neighbor was called to a Bishop’s court on the charge of apostasy. She had become involved with an organization that claimed “additional” revelations beyond what the COB had issued. This group had even taken out a half page ad in the SLC Tribune where all the followers had listed their names. This is how the church identified my neighbor. Apparently they went after everyone involved. I felt bad for her, knowing that she was searching for something that could fulfill her spiritually. Her marriage was bad, and she was not being accepted by the ward. This group took her in. When she got the summons to the court, she talked to me and my wife about it. I could tell she had no idea on how serious the brethren were about this. She thought it all was a misunderstanding and that once she explained herself, things would be fine. I knew the Bishop, and knew he was not the kind of guy to go out and look for this kind of drama. He had to have been directed by Salt Lake to hold this court.
The church handbook of instruction allows for the accused to bring a witness. I volunteered accompany my neighbor, and be a witness for her. This was my first (an only) experience with a church court. Bishops can hold court and excommunicate women. If it was Priesthood hold man that would have to be done at the stake level with the SP and high council. That fact alone just pisses me off. When someone tells me woman are not treated any less than men in the church, I remind them of this little fact.
I was shocked on how my neighbor was treated in the court by the Bishop and his two councilors. There was no real attempt to understand circumstances. No thought on what might be best for my neighbor. It was all scripted and my feeling was the verdict was decided long before the meeting took place. My neighbor was humiliated by the questions asked, and the condescending tone that was used. Whoever called these things courts of love was a sadistic liar. I was discussed, and I did speak my mind. She was excommunicated, and I was tainted for my involvement. Within two weeks of this event, I was released from my teaching position, and my wife was released from her Young Woman’s Presidency position. Over the next six months, it got bad enough that we started to attend a different ward.
I will never allow myself or any of my family to be submitted to the humiliation of a church court where some pompous delusional ass who thinks he’s speaking for God himself can abuse me. No way. I would resign and tell them to stick my resignation letter where the sun doesn’t shine.
You know what, why me, for someone who believes himself to be the most christlike member of this forum you sure do lack compassion.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
If I were bored, it might be fun to go listen to them get all serious on me, like membership in their church was actually meaningful in some way, and just laugh at them.
"Oh noes, I'm not part of you wacky club anymore? Ohhh, the tragedy of it all!"
pffffft... lol
Or even better, look them straight in the eye and tell them that I'm sorry, but I'm excommunicating their church from my life because it's unworthy. I mean, it would be better to be honest with them, right?
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
why me wrote: I wouldn't exactly call them hangins. Lets look at it this way: If I am a bishop and I choose to mess around with a cute gal, I know that if I am caught, I will face my day of reckoning. But it was my choice to mess around and so can I complain of a hangin?
Now, I do know of many women who have gotten off with a slap of the wrist.
Better yet start your own religion like Joesph Smith and no one can excommunicate you when you sleep around just like Joseph. Brilliant. :)
sunstoned wrote: I will never allow myself or any of my family to be submitted to the humiliation of a church court where some pompous delusional ass who thinks he’s speaking for God himself can abuse me. No way. I would resign and tell them to stick my resignation letter where the sun doesn’t shine.
Why go to the trouble of recognizing the churches authority by going to any church court OR even resigning. Most people on the churches list do not identify as LDS so their name on a list or any Authority the church mistakenly thinks they have is meaningless to these people. I suggest others do the same in these situations.