White for white, rich for rich, poor for poor...

[_DarkHelmet]

It's specifically in a teaching manual, to be taught to the young men as 'the Church recommends that you don't marry people of a different race'.

Go get the context.

The rest of the talk from which it is taken is noticeably absent from the lesson manual.

So you're too lazy to look it up. Got it.

The point is, if the church felt the context was important, they would have included it in the manual. The teacher reads that quote to the boys in his class, out of context, and that is what the boys are taught. They are not told to go look up the full talk after church to understand the real meaning. The boys get the message that is in that out of context quote, and that is what the church intended when they printed the manuals.

[_moksha]

Nehor, I think the quote was selected to make a point. They were including this point to teach young men how to properly select a mate. Had this been meant as a lesson in the rhetorical analysis of a speech, then reading the whole speech would be critical.

Getting back to Cinepro's question on criteria being valid, I would suggest compatibility factors should be assessed on an individual basis. As Stemelbow pointed out, sweeping generalizations as to race and socioeconomic background are less than helpful and help paint us as bigots. Think of this, all those royal bloodline genetics quirks and disabilities could have been lessened or eliminated by marrying some pretty commoners.

[_The Nehor]

Nehor,

Why do you keep insisting on reviewing the original talk from SWK?

Because you're trying to twist the little snippet from a talk to discuss racism when it was intended to be about marriage. If you want to argue it's racist you have to look at the context.

The point of this part of the thread is that it is only a portion of that talk that is being used to teach young men who to choose as a marriage partner.

Yep.

The Church advises the young men to choose someone from the same race - unfortunately that is an indisputable fact as it is there in black and white in the Church manual. Go read it.

Nope, and if you read the original talk you will see that is not what President Kimball meant either which is why I continue to direct people there.

I recognize that you have the right to avoid the specific topic (the teaching manual)

I recognize that you are taking a quote about marriage and trying to make it about race.

and that you have a right to resort to calling me names.

Yep.

None of that changes the fact that the Church is actively teaching young men to differentiate their potential spouse in terms of race.

Nope, it's telling them to be careful about differences. Wise counsel. The reality is that (sadly) different races in America are generally differentiated in cultural upbringing.

The Church is still racist. Fact.

And you are still a dumbass. Fact.

[_The Nehor]

The point is, if the church felt the context was important, they would have included it in the manual. The teacher reads that quote to the boys in his class, out of context, and that is what the boys are taught.

Yes, about marriage, not race.

They are not told to go look up the full talk after church to understand the real meaning. The boys get the message that is in that out of context quote, and that is what the church intended when they printed the manuals.

Yes, but then everyone here tries to make the lesson about something it is not about. The quote from the talk is cut in such a way that only the bits about marriage are included. Read on to get more. It's actually a pretty good talk.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Thus spoke Zarastupida.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Nehor,

Why do you keep insisting on reviewing the original talk from SWK?
The point of this part of the thread is that it is only a portion of that talk that is being used to teach young men who to choose as a marriage partner.
The Church advises the young men to choose someone from the same race - unfortunately that is an indisputable fact as it is there in black and white in the Church manual. Go read it.

I recognize that you have the right to avoid the specific topic (the teaching manual) and that you have a right to resort to calling me names.

None of that changes the fact that the Church is actively teaching young men to differentiate their potential spouse in terms of race.

The Church is still racist. Fact.

The manual is also disturbing (in my opinion) insofar as it urges young men to select women who are submissive, compliant, unlikely to talk back, etc. In short: it encourages LDS boys to look for women who will gladly "bow down" to priesthood authority.

[_Called2Swerve]

This is good advice. With the end of the Civil Rights era and growing cultural homogenization the bit about racial background is less and less important compared to the others.

Was it not this very basic premise which eventually led Hitler into trying to destroy other racial or cultural backgrounds?

Is it you calling a spade a spade here, or I? (I have meant no offense in bringing up this somewhat rather old and sometimes considered derogatory statement)

[_Will Schryver]

/snip/

I just wanted to make note of the fact that yours is one of the cleverest handles I've ever seen on a Mormon-related message board.

LOL!

[_The Nehor]

The manual is also disturbing (in my opinion) insofar as it urges young men to select women who are submissive, compliant, unlikely to talk back, etc. In short: it encourages LDS boys to look for women who will gladly "bow down" to priesthood authority.

You either went to the wrong link or your reading comprehension is even weaker then usual.

[_The Nehor]

This is good advice. With the end of the Civil Rights era and growing cultural homogenization the bit about racial background is less and less important compared to the others.

Was it not this very basic premise which eventually led Hitler into trying to destroy other racial or cultural backgrounds?

I'm not sure what you're saying here. I am sure Hitler would be disgusted by cultural homogenization making race less important. I am delighted by it.

I hope the day comes where skin color and physical features do not suggest a culture at all. Where nothing will be referred to as belonging to a racial group like "Black Comedy" or "Latin Music. Instead we will mix the best together and instead of music and entertainment and all grab what we like and the color of one's skin will mean nothing more then how much sunscreen you need.