Hurt? What a strange question. How might I have been hurt?
At any rate, the answer is no, I have not been hurt by David.*
Do you care to give a quick summary of your point of view ...
My point of view concerning what?
... or are you scared to ruffle anymore feathers?
LOL!
I think it should have long since become apparent that "ruffling feathers" has never been one of my fears.
* = When it comes to David, the only "hurt" of which I am aware has been self-inflicted.
I thought myself the wiser to have viewed the evidence left of such a great demise. I followed every step. But the only thing I ever learned before the journey's end was there was nothing there to learn, only something to forget.
Thanks for joining. Do you and David still talk? Were you hurt by David? Do you care to give a quick summary of your point of view or are you scared to ruffle anymore feathers?
Will has created some very problematic fissures (or fistulas?) in the Mopologetic community. I daresay that the one involving David B. hasn't been nearly as acrimonious as the one w/ Blair Hodges. What's unclear to me are the motives behind these divisions. E.g., what did Hodges do to Schryver to set him off? We already know some of the backstory behind the Will/Bokovoy conflict, but the Schryver/Hodges Fiasco still remains somewhat shadowy and mysterious.
Speaking of self-inflicted hurt ...
I thought myself the wiser to have viewed the evidence left of such a great demise. I followed every step. But the only thing I ever learned before the journey's end was there was nothing there to learn, only something to forget.
lostindc wrote:I am not sure many posters here and on other boards understand the gravity of the fallout of Bill Shriveyersree and David Bokovoy, a.k.a. The Bill Incident.
David, a person well respected by both sides of the isle, often brings substance and kindness to the table. It appears that Bill’s attacks on David have further alienated Bill from reaching his goal of noteable apologist. But some may argue that Bill’s actions only enhance his appeal to apologists that tend to be more rough around edges.
Therefore, did Bill’s actions finally alienate him from the letterman he so much looks up to? Furthermore, is Bill on the road to apostacy seen from his crass postings and meltdown?
I apologize in advance for the derail, but I have always wondered how we got Bill out of William, Jack out of John, Bob out of Robert and I especially wonder how we got Dick out of Richard.
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Thanks for joining. Do you and David still talk? Were you hurt by David?
I think the better word choice here is "distressed." Will was "distressed" by David, or at the very least, he had "distressing news" about David to share with his Maxwell Institute compadres.
Do you care to give a quick summary of your point of view or are you scared to ruffle anymore feathers?
He's scared. He's crapping himself in fear that any misstep will result in cancellation of his proposed Book of Abraham article.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
It seems to me that David took issue with what he perceived to be Will's general lack of respect for "critics". It got worse and worse as each said some things about the other that didn't do anything but drive a wedge between the two. I'm of course going off limited reading of postings between here and MD&D. So take that for whatever its worth.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
stemelbow wrote:It seems to me that David took issue with what he perceived to be Will's general lack of respect for "critics". It got worse and worse as each said some things about the other that didn't do anything but drive a wedge between the two. I'm of course going off limited reading of postings between here and MD&D. So take that for whatever its worth.
It's not just that. For some reason Will was under the paranoid delusion that Bokovoy was out to discredit him at the Maxwell Institute. There has never been any cogent or reasonable explanation for why Will would act this way, apart from the easiest explanation, which is simply that Will is abjectly terrified of getting this lone chance to shine yanked away from him.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
Doctor Scratch wrote: I think the better word choice here is "distressed." Will was "distressed" by David, or at the very least, he had "distressing news" about David to share with his Maxwell Institute compadres.
He's scared. He's crapping himself in fear that any misstep will result in cancellation of his proposed Book of Abraham article.
I think there is likely very little chance that Bill will be published due to the weakness of his argument. In any case, it does appear that Bill got a spanking behind the scenes from the letterman of the Maxwell Inst. and is now trying to maintain some sort of composure.
Will, do you want to acknowledge that you were told to calm down and if so why are you listening? Be a man and show those letterman that they cannot dictate your actions.
Doctor Scratch wrote:It's not just that. For some reason Will was under the paranoid delusion that Bokovoy was out to discredit him at the Maxwell Institute.
To be fair they both indicated each threatened something like that. After reading both accounts, in truth, Will's came off as a more credible concern than David's. I didn't see anything in Will's words that warranted David's concern on this.
There has never been any cogent or reasonable explanation for why Will would act this way, apart from the easiest explanation, which is simply that Will is abjectly terrified of getting this lone chance to shine yanked away from him.
I don't know. I'm sure Will, like the rest of us, has an ego and would like to satisfy it to some extent. He's definitely worked at this and he wishes to see that work go noticed. I might be stepping over my bounds in saying this, but I can't imagine its too far from truth.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
lostindc wrote:I think there is likely very little chance that Bill will be published due to the weakness of his argument. In any case, it does appear that Bill got a spanking behind the scenes from the letterman of the Maxwell Inst. and is now trying to maintain some sort of composure.
Will, do you want to acknowledge that you were told to calm down and if so why are you listening? Be a man and show those letterman that they cannot dictate your actions.
This comes off as plain silly seeing as how much Will is condemned here. I would be interested in what is the reasoning behind what appeared that way to you? Out of sick curiousity if nothing else.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Doctor Scratch wrote:It's not just that. For some reason Will was under the paranoid delusion that Bokovoy was out to discredit him at the Maxwell Institute.
To be fair they both indicated each threatened something like that.
Huh? Where did I miss that? Where did David Bokovoy "threaten" to discredit Will at the Maxwell Institute? (Where, for that matter, did Will do that?)
After reading both accounts, in truth, Will's came off as a more credible concern than David's. I didn't see anything in Will's words that warranted David's concern on this.
By any chance do you have a link to this stuff?
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14