Why All Mormons Are Liars

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
_Nightlion
_Emeritus
Posts: 9899
Joined: Wed May 06, 2009 8:11 pm

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Nightlion »

Simon Belmont wrote:
Gadianton wrote:Would you say this is true all of the time, or some of the time?


I realized my statement, in itself, could be an absolute. But, notice I did not say absolutes are always reserved... or that all absolutes are reserved...


Why can't you talk turkey Simon? Why is it always about nuthin'?
The Apocalrock Manifesto and Wonders of Eternity: New Mormon Theology
https://www.docdroid.net/KDt8RNP/the-apocalrock-manifesto.pdf
https://www.docdroid.net/IEJ3KJh/wonders-of-eternity-2009.pdf
My YouTube videos:HERE
_Kishkumen
_Emeritus
Posts: 21373
Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:00 pm

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Kishkumen »

I was wondering when the Satanic druids would enter the thread. I was not disappointed.

Nightlion, what do you make of the Endowment? Is it of God or is it part of the druidic infiltration?
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
_Nightlion
_Emeritus
Posts: 9899
Joined: Wed May 06, 2009 8:11 pm

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Nightlion »

Kishkumen wrote:I was wondering when the Satanic druids would enter the thread. I was not disappointed.

Nightlion, what do you make of the Endowment? Is it of God or is it part of the druidic infiltration?


According to my motorcycle accident the garment is indeed a shield and a protection. The temple became a house of merchandise where for money and votes the filthy and unclean are given unmerited ordinances. After so many unclean souls have been flushed through you can only expect the many who have been spiritually marred by unworthy participation will lash out to vilify the ordinances contemptuously.

Indeed the tares have taken over the temple and ruined any chance of an LDS Zion. At the same time they have spiked the fury of the vengeance of the Lord.
The Apocalrock Manifesto and Wonders of Eternity: New Mormon Theology
https://www.docdroid.net/KDt8RNP/the-apocalrock-manifesto.pdf
https://www.docdroid.net/IEJ3KJh/wonders-of-eternity-2009.pdf
My YouTube videos:HERE
_Gadianton
_Emeritus
Posts: 9947
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:12 am

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Gadianton »

Nightlion,

Thanks for the interesting response.

Nightlion wrote:The learned folks of my home ward and stake were thunderstruck and all the more after my mission as I confounded handily the doctors and lawyers on the Church's payroll.


In what ways would this happen? Who were the doctors and lawyers on the Church's payroll?

In what way were you causing an upheaval?

Nightlion wrote:He also put the kibosh on church leaders investigating my writings of The New Mormon Theology: The Wonders Of Eternity that got me put on probation for teaching it openly in an elder's quorum. They had to consider if they were then going to allow me to get married in the temple. Just barely.


Is this a book you wrote? what does it talk about?

Nightlion wrote:When I sent my paper, The Book of Mormon Standard Of Conversion, into President Benson after his famous talk of the church still being under condemnation for not doing according to that which is written in the Book of Mormon, President Benson sent me a personal letter thanking me and saying that he noted my paper with interest.


I have no reason to doubt you here. This is interesting to me because when I was about mission age, I became very interested in some of the deeper doctrines of the Church. Along with many books I had been reading, a friend of mine who at the time was on a mission, was somehow drumming up papers and videotaped firesides from disparate groups of Saints watching the clock tick toward the year 2000 with great interest. They all had one thing in common (besides Skousen): little known stories about Ezra Taft Benson warning the Saints of things to come. I have no doubts that he greatly encouraged "personal revelation" on certain matters within the church, and he himself was an ardent supporter of Cleon Skousen. I have no doubt that as you say, Hinckley Pw*ned Benson and took charge; high on his list was to rid the Church of any creativity, so to speak.

Nightlion wrote:Probably the heir to the Satanic Royalty today in the LDS hierarchy is some guy who went to England on his mission. Like Lorenzo Snow who started it all. And that's where Hinckley was set up by the wicked there to make a favorable impression on LDS headquarters so Hinckley could begin his ascent to power. Probably curried favor with a Satanic GA when he was a towel boy at the Deseret Gym before his mission. Hand picked I suppose from the long line of English Druid bastards who joined the Church to tare it apart. If you know what I mean.


No, I don't really know what you mean, but I'm trying to follow you here. I think you'll need to spell it out for me.

Nightlion wrote:He was buddies with another GA family who owned a slaughter house where the Satanist acquire all the blood necessary for their abusive Rituals.


So Hinckley was part of a Satanic cult, I get this much. But not seeing how Hinckley got involved. You're saying something like a Satanic cult in England brought Hinckley in, and through covenants he made there, began to rise to the top of the Church?
_Simon Belmont

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Simon Belmont »

Nightlion wrote:Why can't you talk turkey Simon? Why is it always about nuthin'?


Because I am LDS, and therefore a liar.

Was the above statement a lie? Since I am a liar it must be, but then that makes me not a liar.

Unless that statement was a lie, too.

Oh gee, I'm confused now.
_Nightlion
_Emeritus
Posts: 9899
Joined: Wed May 06, 2009 8:11 pm

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Nightlion »

Gadianton wrote:Nightlion,

Thanks for the interesting response.

Well, derailed is better than ignored, I say.

Nightlion wrote:The learned folks of my home ward and stake were thunderstruck and all the more after my mission as I confounded handily the doctors and lawyers on the Church's payroll.


In what ways would this happen? Who were the doctors and lawyers on the Church's payroll?


My home ward was filled with Church Education Professional teachers and administrators. You know how Mormons get a leg up by moving into a ward. Lowell Benion, Neal Maxwell, GBH, Obert C. Tanner and lots more. A kid a few years older than me was on his way to becoming a renowned lawyer, was Neal Maxwell's curried protege, ended up with a seat on the board of regents for U of U at one time.

There were many similar event but I remember when a Church Ed Administrator, a PHD in some BYU discipline and this lawyer guy both denied the gospel in the same class discussion in my ward. It was embarrassing that such intellects would patently deny the witness of the truth and trample upon the Holy One of Israel in their arrogance of self-deigned worthiness. They were soundly confounded and would not be ashamed.

In what way were you causing an upheaval?
I was outside the box of convention. The young minds in singles wards and the old minds in regular wards were seriously troubled. Like I was giving away the secret that they were not as worthy as they had convinced themselves to be. This went on for years and only got worse after I received an apostolic witness of Jesus Christ in 1979 and would not tolerate trampling upon the gospel hence forth.

Is this a book you wrote? what does it talk about?

I wrote it up after more than four years of full time research work, on my own dime, in the Church Historical Library back in the days of the Hoffman debacle.http://www.fireark.org/wonders_of_eternity.pdf
I include now an update.

I have no doubt that as you say, Hinckley Pw*ned Benson and took charge; high on his list was to rid the Church of any creativity, so to speak.


I remember now that I used an relic typewriter to write that paper in my poverty. So it took longer than a few months for me to get excommunicated.

Nightlion wrote:. Hand picked I suppose from the long line of English Druid bastards who joined the Church to tare it apart. If you know what I mean.


No, I don't really know what you mean, but I'm trying to follow you here. I think you'll need to spell it out for me.

The word "tare" is what I mean. Satan sowed tared into the Restoration. He cast a flood of immigrants out of his mouth to carry away the truth and drive it into the wilderness.
Revelation 12:14-16
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.


Maybe the Family Radio doomsdayers will get their earthquake and it will swallow up the tares that have displaced the righteous. Eventually.

So Hinckley was part of a Satanic cult, I get this much. But not seeing how Hinckley got involved. You're saying something like a Satanic cult in England brought Hinckley in, and through covenants he made there, began to rise to the top of the Church?


I believe that he was born to it from immigrants forebears who hand-carted to Utah. I think that the Marion Willey company was more murder than disaster so that these Druid bastards could stake their claim to Satanic prominence with the biggest list of undetected kills. I was referring to his PR success in England that got him a job in Church Headquarters after his mission. I think it was a set up orchestrated to give him a boost from his 'brethren".

The entire art of Druidism is to come off undetected with the most power and wickedness. These things can only connect loosely from shadows and patterns in the lines of time just as Lorenzo Snow's intrigues betrays a Son of Perdition status for him.

I do not believe GBH ever achieved saint status and can not possibly be a SoP. A champion evil doer. No doubt.

Imagine this: an insignificant kid already tossed out on the crap heap of LDS juvenile delinquency suddenly stands up with an abounding confidence, filled with power and a depth of spiritual and scriptural understanding by an absolute gift, that eclipsed all around him of GAs teachers, professors of the LDS Church's elite, only to be driven, scorned, persecuted and hated and cast out by the men of priesthood whose responsibility it was to seek to bring forth and establish Zion. For the zeal of Zion I hate them all. As I know God hates them.

So soon shall all the tares be bound with strong cords that they might be burned up. I guess in that respect I am a binder of tares. For they are made more sure by rejecting more and more light as the day lasts.
The Apocalrock Manifesto and Wonders of Eternity: New Mormon Theology
https://www.docdroid.net/KDt8RNP/the-apocalrock-manifesto.pdf
https://www.docdroid.net/IEJ3KJh/wonders-of-eternity-2009.pdf
My YouTube videos:HERE
_Nightlion
_Emeritus
Posts: 9899
Joined: Wed May 06, 2009 8:11 pm

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Nightlion »

Simon Belmont wrote:
Nightlion wrote:Why can't you talk turkey Simon? Why is it always about nuthin'?


Because I am LDS, and therefore a liar.

Was the above statement a lie? Since I am a liar it must be, but then that makes me not a liar.

Unless that statement was a lie, too.

Oh gee, I'm confused now.


If you cannot be substantive at least you can be funny.
The Apocalrock Manifesto and Wonders of Eternity: New Mormon Theology
https://www.docdroid.net/KDt8RNP/the-apocalrock-manifesto.pdf
https://www.docdroid.net/IEJ3KJh/wonders-of-eternity-2009.pdf
My YouTube videos:HERE
_Kishkumen
_Emeritus
Posts: 21373
Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:00 pm

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Kishkumen »

Nightlion wrote:According to my motorcycle accident the garment is indeed a shield and a protection. The temple became a house of merchandise where for money and votes the filthy and unclean are given unmerited ordinances. After so many unclean souls have been flushed through you can only expect the many who have been spiritually marred by unworthy participation will lash out to vilify the ordinances contemptuously.

Indeed the tares have taken over the temple and ruined any chance of an LDS Zion. At the same time they have spiked the fury of the vengeance of the Lord.


So I am guessing you think little of the tithing requirement to enter the temple.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
_hatersinmyward
_Emeritus
Posts: 671
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 3:12 am

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _hatersinmyward »

Nightlion wrote:In this revelation Christ is calling Mormons liars. Because the SAY but do not DO according to that which is written and commanded them. Or hypocrites if you like.

They are indeed laboring under a specific curse of condemnation for just cause from God. This was right at the git go in 1832 in Kirtland, Ohio.

According to Ezra Taft Benson this condemnation has never been lifted. This condemnation was because of their VANITY. Or as Christ put it, an abomination of pride above all nations, and all people of the whole earth.
[b]
D&C 84:54-55
54 And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received—
55 Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation.


some people hinted Jesus died so we can live and choose our own path and not live vainly to keep up with others. hence die so that we might live again.
_Gadianton
_Emeritus
Posts: 9947
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:12 am

Re: Why All Mormons Are Liars

Post by _Gadianton »

Nightlion,

I've skimmed through your book. For what it is, I think it is actually pretty good. I don't think Widstoe, Talmage or any other notable Mormon author has done any better. You've got a real feel for "prophet talk," long, flowery boasts intermingled with scripture quotations that set up resolutions to gospel quandaries. If you preached as confidently as you claim you did, then I can see why you were a respected student of the mysteries back in the day.

Nightlion wrote:There were many similar event but I remember when a Church Ed Administrator, a PHD in some BYU discipline and this lawyer guy both denied the gospel in the same class discussion in my ward. It was embarrassing that such intellects would patently deny the witness of the truth and trample upon the Holy One of Israel in their arrogance of self-deigned worthiness. They were soundly confounded and would not be ashamed.


Ok, so you taught a class in church, and you taught your ideas in the book you linked to, and these two guys argued with you about what you were teaching?

Nightlion wrote:I was outside the box of convention. The young minds in singles wards and the old minds in regular wards were seriously troubled. Like I was giving away the secret that they were not as worthy as they had convinced themselves to be. This went on for years and only got worse after I received an apostolic witness of Jesus Christ in 1979 and would not tolerate trampling upon the gospel hence forth.


So over the course of many years, you taught the doctrines in that book and eventually, Jesus Christ visited you in the flesh in 1979 and this put your campaign into overdrive, ending in your eventual excommunication?

Why do you think it matters so much whether someone believes in the Trinity, the King Follet couplet, or your doctrine?

Your theology boils down to this: God needs a break so he clones his body, implants into Mary, lives a few years of forgetfulness as Jesus, and then at some point discards the used "husk" body for transubstantiation into the sacrament where the faithful can harness the power to, among other things, avoid the trap of same sex attraction; other cloning projects are under way and the Father rotates out of his body to become the Holy Ghost while the other two members likewise rotate into new Godhead roles, eventually completing one Eternal Round.

If that is all true, fantastic, it sure is an interesting universe we live in and a nice alternative resolution to the Trinity problems, but is believing the above so important, so much more fulfilling than any other theological idea, that you are willing to damn the entire human race save yourself only for not accepting it?

I mean, you're pretty hurt by the way people in the Church treated you and sure, I get the way the slick Willies of the Church can be annoying and kiss ass all the way to the top. But don't you see that you are becoming them? What are you going to do when a young member of The Church of Zion and Jesus Christ stands up and contradicts the beliefs of the doctors and lawyers paying the mortgage on your chapel? Basically, those folks in Millcreek were intolerant pricks who will damn their brothers to hell for disagreeing with them, yet, you are in actuality no different at all, demanding at the threat of hellfire that everyone bow down and accept your beliefs without dissent or question.
Post Reply