New angle for Book of Abraham apologists to pursue

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Re: New angle for Book of Abraham apologists to pursue

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Dr. Shades wrote:
wenglund wrote:I am in-debted to all the "real" Egyptologists who have weighed in on this thread.

You will need to direct your statement to whomever thinks this thread needs an Egyptologist. That wouldn't be me.


lol. Thank you, Shades.
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Re: New angle for Book of Abraham apologists to pursue

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Members are listening and believing these lies. As evidenced by an email I got this week (sent to MormonThink) that blasted the Book of Abraham critic's arguments by stating that the information may have come from Nelson who was discredited.

I of course responded that the information on the site comes from others such as Robert Ritner. I acknowledged that Nelson did indeed misrepresent himself and pointed where on the site it actually says that. But I also added that Nelson was still correct about what he said about the papyri translation, even though he didn't have the credentials to back it up.

SO I wonder where she got the idea to discredit all critic's work on the Book of Abraham because of Nelson. Maybe she heard this lecture.
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LDS truthseeker wrote:Members are listening and believing these lies. As evidenced by an email I got this week (sent to MormonThink) that blasted the Book of Abraham critic's arguments by stating that the information may have come from Nelson who was discredited.

I of course responded that the information on the site comes from others such as Robert Ritner. I acknowledged that Nelson did indeed misrepresent himself and pointed where on the site it actually says that. But I also added that Nelson was still correct about what he said about the papyri translation, even though he didn't have the credentials to back it up.

SO I wonder where she got the idea to discredit all critic's work on the Book of Abraham because of Nelson. Maybe she heard this lecture.


But isn't it these types of apologetic lecturers who in the end can cause the most damage to faithful LDS? I would think an invalid argument can potentially cause far more damage to a person's testimony than stating that aspects of the Book of Abraham just don't make sense and that a person needs to rely on faith about these things.
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Re: New angle for Book of Abraham apologists to pursue

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Wisdom Seeker wrote:
LDS truthseeker wrote:Members are listening and believing these lies. As evidenced by an email I got this week (sent to MormonThink) that blasted the Book of Abraham critic's arguments by stating that the information may have come from Nelson who was discredited.

I of course responded that the information on the site comes from others such as Robert Ritner. I acknowledged that Nelson did indeed misrepresent himself and pointed where on the site it actually says that. But I also added that Nelson was still correct about what he said about the papyri translation, even though he didn't have the credentials to back it up.

SO I wonder where she got the idea to discredit all critic's work on the Book of Abraham because of Nelson. Maybe she heard this lecture.


But isn't it these types of apologetic lecturers who in the end can cause the most damage to faithful LDS? I would think an invalid argument can potentially cause far more damage to a person's testimony than stating that aspects of the Book of Abraham just don't make sense and that a person needs to rely on faith about these things.



YES, as they are so easy to disprove. As long as someone follows up with the facts and just doesn't permanently shelve it because of the misleading lecture they heard.
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Re: New angle for Book of Abraham apologists to pursue

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LDS truthseeker wrote:....as long as someone follows up with the facts and just doesn't permanently shelve it because of the misleading lecture they heard.


Following up on the facts has never been high on the list of to-do's for most TBM's I know. Acceptance of faith promoting discussions, talks, testimonies and lessons has always been a desirable quality that make up the perfect LDS member. I have spoken with someone who has attended a different lecture by this individual and they were surprised by some of the things in which he brings up. When pressed if he felt that the lecturer was providing some obscure theories that deserved looking into, he seemed almost confused at the question.

I think it's unfortunate but to me it seems as if search, ponder and pray is limited to the standard works and for only those things in which controversy plays no part. Stem once mentioned in another thread that I must live in a low-brow community because they simply are not familiar with LDS apologetics or the apologists themselves except maybe Ash. Nothing screams "INVESTIGATE" more than what Ash says in his articles, yet I figure most people are simply inspired to have more faith after reading them.

But even I have shown my laziness in not even investigating the source of his premise that the Book of Abraham once had it right in showing the correct figures in much older scriptures. I too have shelved some of my beliefs because I have work to do, mouth's to feed and simply don't have the time or resources that our apologetic friends have in trying to make sense of what some might consider pure nonsense.
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