CFR - Simon Belmont

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Doctor Scratch wrote:So, you're saying that Joseph Smith deceived people w/ his money digging activities?


This is a fair question because it appears Gentleman Belmont has declared Smith as deceitful/dishonest.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:So, you're saying that Joseph Smith deceived people w/ his money digging activities?

Sort of like Travis Wright has currently with his Ponzi scheme. Maybe elohim ought to make Travis Wright his next apostle--he has demonstrated skills at fundraising.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:So, you're saying that Joseph Smith deceived people w/ his money digging activities?


I don't know of anyone who felt deceived.
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:So, you're saying that Joseph Smith deceived people w/ his money digging activities?


I don't know of anyone who felt deceived.


Do you just believe he was wrong for breaking the law?
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:So, you're saying that Joseph Smith deceived people w/ his money digging activities?


I don't know of anyone who felt deceived.


That's not what I asked you.
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:So, you're saying that Joseph Smith deceived people w/ his money digging activities?


I don't know of anyone who felt deceived.

Gee, then Isaac Hale must have just been totally unreasonable for not wanting his daughter Emma to marry JSJr. Isaac reportedly thought JSJr's profession of money digging/glass looking for hire to be an unsavory and disreputable one. And then there was Josiah Stowell's nephew that complained to authorities, which resulted in legal charges being brought against JSJr for his glass-looking for hire.

After hearing 12 witnesses on the matter, the judge did not dismiss the charges against JSJr. So doesn't sound like all 12 were singing JSJr's praises.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
That's not what I asked you.



What you asked cannot be answered. I do not know if he intentionally deceived or not. Nor do I know if he really believed he had some magical power.

Are you deceiving people by posting anonymously?
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:
That's not what I asked you.



What you asked cannot be answered. I do not know if he intentionally deceived or not. Nor do I know if he really believed he had some magical power.


You posed this question: "Does that make it right?" and answered it in the negative.... What did you mean by that? Apparently you don't think that this has anything to do with intentional deception. So what else is there? In what sense was Joseph's behavior "not right"?
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Doctor Scratch wrote:You posed this question: "Does that make it right?" and answered it in the negative.... What did you mean by that?


It means it isn't necessarily a reputable occupation.

Apparently you don't think that this has anything to do with intentional deception. So what else is there? In what sense was Joseph's behavior "not right"?


In all of my Joseph Smith studies I have not found anything which would lead me to conclude that he intentionally deceived anyone. I believe he believed he could help people find their lost items.
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:You posed this question: "Does that make it right?" and answered it in the negative.... What did you mean by that?


It means it isn't necessarily a reputable occupation.


Not "necessarily"? If it's indeterminate, and you can't assign guilt or wrongdoing of any kind to Joseph Smith, then you've failed the terms of the OP, Simon. The bits Inconceivable quoted from you are seeming more and more disingenuous.
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