Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_beastie]

Perhaps Belinda would welcome a personal call from one prominent member involved in this thread for a quick interview on the contents herein. Say we limit the interview to three questions decided in this thread beforehand, with Belinda picking the caller.

I seriously doubt Belinda wants to know the kind of details such a call would entail. It's easier for her just to believe that Will just called a couple of women B***es, and they probably deserved it. Anything more is a distortion of malicious exmormons, who hate Will for no other reason than his stellar defense of the faith. End of story.

Women who deal with temperamental or problematic men often make these sort of compromises. A form of don't ask, don't tell.

[_RockSlider]

I seriously doubt Belinda wants to know the kind of details such a call would entail. It's easier for her just to believe that Will just called a couple of women B***es, and they probably deserved it. Anything more is a distortion of malicious exmormons, who hate Will for no other reason than his stellar defense of the faith. End of story.
Women who deal with temperamental or problematic men often make these sort of compromises. A form of don't ask, don't tell.

My only interest is to eliminate the very high possibility that this is not Belinda. Who doubts that it would be beneath William to leave this impression about his wife.

Heck two questions would do:
1. Did you really read these first couple pages of this thread?
2. Did you really signup and post in William's defense?

[_MsJack]

All right, done with finals, done playing my mother's day gift and now catching up on ~17 pages of thread . . . incoming replies. I'll link to some of the posts I'm replying to.

[_MsJack]

Tator ~ In your original "Vulgar Scatologist" thread, you attributed the following quote to William which included the phrase "f****in' douche":

Omg. You're an actor with a mullet from Cedar City, UT? LOLOL. You're a f****in' douche... lolol...

But William didn't say this; antishock8 did. I'm also not aware of any examples wherein he has used the word "pussy," let alone "pussy-ass."

The others all look accurate to me, but I hardly have the time or interest to run a search on every one, so don't quote me on that.

[_MsJack]

3sheets2thewind ~ I think it was completely invasive and inappropriate for you to post William's stake information and suggest that people write to his ecclesiastical leaders about all of this. I don't endorse this course of action at all.

[Guest]

William ~ You said:

There is no one, out of the 1000+ plus posters to have ever participated in this forum, who arouses enough interest to generate what will almost certainly become a 50+ page thread, in less than a week's time.

Oh, William. You're really not thinking this through.

You know that mess with James Patrick Holding, Kevin Graham, Russell C McGregor*, Dan Peterson, and myself last year? Of course you do; you referenced it earlier in this thread.

Do you have any idea how many times the incident was brought up on our forums over the years, yet discussion of it never got to more than a few pages? No one seemed to care.

Then I got involved for the very first time, and suddenly the issue exploded into thread after thread spanning dozens and dozens of pages, all in less than a week. The moderators at MADB had to forcefully shut down several threads and clear pages of frivolous comments from others, people just couldn't stop talking about it. As I recall, you never commented on the matter. Not once.

Now let's turn to your antics on these forums. Several people have tried to document them before. Pokatator's thread is over two years old now and has only just barely hit twelve pages. Darth J's thread on the subject only got to three pages, even though Darth J is something of a favorite around here.

Then I started my thread and . . . well . . . I guess you know how that's going.

I'm sorry to ruin your narcissistic fun, but you aren't the reason this thread has gone to 47 pages in just over two weeks. You really, really aren't.

*This was the posting handle that the FARMS Review author used to interact with me and address me over at MADB; I am not "outing" anyone's alias.

[_MsJack]

Eric ~ You said (in reference to William's claim that I'd damaged my credibility):

but by referring to men as "cad[s]" and refusing to read responses on this thread discussing the evidence against the c-word incident.

I called no specific man a "cad," nor do I find the term horribly objectionable in the first place. Nor was the term directed exclusively at people who don't believe the c-word incident happened, as you've come to believe. I'm not going to say it again.

I also asked you to lay out this "evidence against the c-word incident" in one place---hardly an unreasonable request given the speed at which this thread has moved---and you refused. Not my problem.

As for losing credibility with you . . . well . . . what can I say. I guess that makes us even.

[_Yoda]

3sheets2thewind ~ I think it was completely invasive and inappropriate for you to post William's stake information and suggest that people write to his ecclesiastical leaders about all of this. I don't endorse this course of action at all.

(Moderator Note) Thanks for catching this, Jack. I missed it. I have deleted that information. It is considered in real life information and against board rules.

[_MsJack]

Nomad ~ Concerning the "WilliamSchryver" handle, you said:

This post was not made by Will, but by someone who made an account here and then just made this one post. Will has already denied having ever posted as “WilliamSchryver”.

I asked him to clarify on this denial in my very first response to him on this thread, and he never replied. Then later in the thread, he proudly admitted to making the comment in question to harmony.

It's a little late to rescue your "friend" by blaming his transgressions on a sock puppet.

This is another example of where MsJack has been willing to lie on this thread in order to push her agenda. Will denied (in his first post on this thread) that he had written this, and yet MsJack still hasn't taken it out of her post.

Since I have established that your "friend" owned up to making the comment in question and was thus the owner of all three handles that I identified him as owning, will you now be retracting your claim that I have lied on this thread and apologizing to me?

(I won't hold my breath.)

Neither has she removed the disproven allegation about Will using the "C" word towards harmony.

Can you please link me to where it was "disproven"? I have addressed every bit of counter-evidence that anyone has attempted to muster and found it severely lacking.

I will be making some changes to this series when I convert it to blog form and run it at ClobberBlog. I will note all changes, emendations, and corrections then.

Makes one wonder exactly what kind of a conspiracy this is?

I already addressed the "conspiracy" charges in my first reply on this thread. I'd say the real "wonder" is why you and William Schryver are the only two people in the entire world who have bought into the conspiracy fantasy, but . . . well . . . that really is the worst-kept secret on this message board now, isn't it?

[_MsJack]

Wade ~ If you want me to answer your questions, please provide me a link to where you specifically answered my CFR. I have not the time nor interest to interact with someone who makes accusations and then fails to back them up, so either answer my CFR OR retract your claim that I ever accused you of doing anything "personal" on this thread OR prepare to enjoy me ignoring your further attempts at games.