BYU's Dr. John L. Lund Arrested.

[_zeezrom]

Personally, I find this sort of thing appalling (I'm a history buff).

The fact that a man who styles himself as a historian would sell stolen antiquities to tourists to make a few extra bucks is like a policeman that takes bribes. He knows better and it points to a total lack of integrity.

But have you considered that he might be selling stuff to the Lord's anointed?

Maybe Thomas S. Monson is gearing up to do some translation?

[_Inconceivable]

Has he been proven guilty yet? Or is it that you hope or simply assume he's guilty?

Bc,

What does it matter whether he is guilty at this point? The church counsels every member to "avoid the very appearance of evil" for this very purpose. At the least, Lund failed the test of "guilt by association".

This is a major blow to the credibility of the LDS church in Israel. Here is a representative ambassador for the church alledgedly in a grave robbing antiquities smuggling secret combination scheme. Who is he trafficing the loot to? Mormons.

But who knows?

Perhaps if the Jewish nation is willing to forgive the Mormon church for baptising their relatives that perished in Nazi Extermination camps (after being told not to numerous times), maybe they'll let this go too, no?

Let's see what the Antiquities Authority thinks about it:

He was questioned and released, but officials continued their surveillance. "He resumed his evil ways and continued selling antiquities to tourists—this time to another group that arrived in Israel," said the Antiquities Authority.

Perhaps evil and guilt an not synonimous.

[_Quasimodo]

Personally, I find this sort of thing appalling (I'm a history buff).

The fact that a man who styles himself as a historian would sell stolen antiquities to tourists to make a few extra bucks is like a policeman that takes bribes. He knows better and it points to a total lack of integrity.

But have you considered that he might be selling stuff to the Lord's anointed?

Maybe Thomas S. Monson is gearing up to do some translation?

Thanks, Z. You always bring me back to reality. Despite the Israeli laws, ancient Jewish artifacts should belong the the restored Church. The only entity that has God's endorsement. I wonder if this will be Lund's defense in the upcoming trial?

[Guest]

A sudden flury of activity has been reported at the Department of Near Eastern Studies at BYU. Several professors have been seen carrying large boxes of what appears to be ancient artifacts out of their offices and into the trunk of their cars. Daniel Peterson, when asked about the unusual activity was reported as saying, "There's nothing to see here folks, move along".

We're discussing a serious accusation of illegal activity here. I think it's in extremely poor taste to joke about Dan being "in" on it, let alone engaging in similar crimes himself.

EDIT: I should have said "Dan and/or other professors at the NES department being 'in' on it . . . "

[_Inconceivable]

My question is how widespread is this type of behavior among apologists/LDS scholars who regularly travel to Israel? Maybe this sort of activity is not only tolerated, but thought of as an entitlement/right for belonging to the true Church?

One of my best friends studied in Israel for a semester while at BYU. He came back with several ancient artifacts. DCP, care to comment?

Interesting!!! I did a little Google digging and found this! Isn't this DCP's tour?

http://www.cruiselady.com/headliner-details.cfm?h=12

Here:http://www.cruiselady.com/headliner-details.cfm?h=2

And this:
http://ancientamerica.org/library/media/PDF/28832009BMAFFLYER1.pdf

I'm thinking these guys are pretty tight.

I guess their trying to make a few adjustments at cruiselady:

http://www.cruiseladytravel.4mydeals.com/UnderConstruction.htm

[_Joey]

See John

See John sell tour to Jane

See John steal

See John sell stolen goods to Jane on tour

See Jane get busted for having John's stolen goods.

See Jane change churches

See Richard call John for a PPI

See Dan defend John and tell Richard he does not know Dick

See Marie now selling clay lamps on QVC

See Marie and John claim it for the Profit

See John for yourself:

http://www.funforlesstours.com/tour/lis ... of-m-tours

[_Quasimodo]

We're discussing a serious accusation of illegal activity here. I think it's in extremely poor taste to joke about Dan being "in" on it, let alone engaging in similar crimes himself.

EDIT: I should have said "Dan and/or other professors at the NES department being 'in' on it . . . "

That is true. However, it does put the question into play. I am very interested to hear Dr. Peterson's views on all this. I wonder if he will respond.

[Guest]

He is the author of various articles in the New Era, the Ensign, The Encyclopedia of Mormonism, and most recently, in the LDS 2006 Church Almanac.

Dang, I can't find him using advanced search on LDS.org. Anyone else? I want to read some of his articles.

ETA (again): Okay I found one. http://LDS.org/search?lang=eng&clang=en ... L.+Lund%22

[Guest]

I think it's in extremely poor taste to joke about Dan being "in" on it, let alone engaging in similar crimes himself.

This comment also points to my little joke about a prophet of God being in on the illegal activity.

Perhaps this is the real reason why modern Mormon prophets don't translate ancient documents anymore? There is too much dirty money involved.

[_MsJack]

That is true. However, it does put the question into play. I am very interested to hear Dr. Peterson's views on all this. I wonder if he will respond.

Given the pending legal proceedings, what do you really think he would say? Especially on a public message board he hates, to people whom he largely dislikes? If John Lund is someone he counted among his friends and this accusation was a sad surprise to him, I highly doubt he wants to discuss it here. If he had or has knowledge of the events that will be relevant in court, then of course he's not going to discuss it here.

I don't think it's irrelevant that you found the online Cruise Lady fliers advertising their connection. I wasn't aware of that, and it's interesting. I'd certainly like to hear what he knows about the matter, but I don't think that he will say anything here.

It's your thread, Quasimodo, and I loathe stepping into the role of "board nanny." This was news to me and I'm glad you brought it to my attention.

I just want to encourage people to make it a thread about John L. Lund instead of a thread about DCP. That's all.