JSkains: "Science is a tool of Satan"

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Re: JSkains: "Science is a tool of Satan"

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Baker wrote:Must admit, though, chalking up everything that contradicts what one conceives as true religion to a Satanic illusion may just be the surest way to keep the faith.

Josh Skains' "science and the devil" post over on the MADBoard (now MD&D) definitely makes for some wing-nut reading. In fact it is even entertaining (in a train wreck watching sort of way), until one realizes how many Mormons, and fundamentalist religionists in general, harbor, and even nurture, these kinds of attitudes and thought patterns.

If the US is falling behind other countries in math and science (and it is), and if being among the best in math and science is what catapulted the US to its recent apex relative to most countries (and it is), then our turning away from math and science becomes, in the long run, nothing less than a risk to national security.

How can the kind of intentional anti-intellectualism and associated self-imposed ignorance reflected in jskains' posts be squared with the professed Mormon ideal of national pride and patriotism?

Comments like those from jskains are so silly and so wrong-headed on so many levels that it is painful to even think about the task of straightening him out.

Perhaps I can help the upcoming generation of LDS students by sending a link to his posts to a few of them who still like math and science. This woudl be done as a cautionary example of what they themselves may be thinking, or even writing in a few years, if they stay on the path of Mormon faith (unfounded belief) and obedience (apparent inability to think and take actions for one's self).
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Re: JSkains: "Science is a tool of Satan"

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Bet ol'JoeSmithCain doesn't refuse to get medical treatments - the result of science - when he gets sick. Bet the fool goes to a Medical Doctor before calling the olive oil brigade for prayer with halitosis.
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I don't have anything to add except to comment on the first time I really began to appreciate what I understood to be science. I was a cub scout and we were learning about erosion. This guy had a big, sloped board with dirt on it and plants. We poured water at the top and made note of the effects of slope, soil type, and vegetation on soil loss. It was an amazing stirring moment for me.

If science is a tool of Satan, then I guess I want to hang out with Satan after I die. Perhaps he has rooms and rooms full of equipment and computers. I wonder if Satan likes to test valve seat resilience using repetitive water hammer tests. I'll bet his experiments rock.
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Joseph wrote:Bet ol'JoeSmithCain doesn't refuse to get medical treatments - the result of science - when he gets sick. Bet the fool goes to a Medical Doctor before calling the olive oil brigade for prayer with halitosis.


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I have two counter-questions for our friend jskains:

Is it possible for the Devil to manipulate religion? If so, how would you know if your own religion isn't an artificial, crafted reality like The Matrix?
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Dr. Shades, you know very well Satan has a religion. The Temple teaches you he is the God of This World, and lds-inc worships him. The first principal of the gospel is 'you can buy anything in this world with money', a core belief of lds-inc from the beginning and refined through the years.
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Certainly, this idea (science is Satanic) is idiotic, but it's not rare. I have a very competent, intelligent, witty coworker who told me straight up that he thought Satan had influenced scientists all over the world to believe in evolution. He's a smart guy, like I said, right up until you start talking religion (or politics, for that matter) with him.

Basic common sense cannot compete with beliefs that give people comfort. It's that simple.
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President Henry B. Eyring First Counsellor of the First Presidency studied the occult

From LDS.org profile...He (Eyring) holds a B.S. degree in Physics from the University of Utah

So JSkains, one of your Prophets is fluent in Satanic Physics!
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His position is at least more consistent than those who try to shoehorn the scriptures into a reality-based (scientific) world view (as I used to).

If you're going to believe in fairy tales, why not go the whole nine yards?
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