Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.

Should LDS Bishops be Charged With a Crime in Susan Brock Sex Case?

 
Total votes: 0

_cafe crema
_Emeritus
Posts: 2042
Joined: Tue May 11, 2010 5:07 am

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _cafe crema »

The Nehor wrote:Why were the parents of the boy waiting for Bishops to contact the police?

As I read this the parents of the boy contacted the Bishop in the first place (instead of the police? Why?). If anyone deserves punishment I think the parents of the boy should be charged.


Baker wrote:Agree with Nehor - parents should have called the police first. I think the church would do well to make a point of this to members - if there's abuse, call the police before the bishop.


3sheets2thewind wrote:Lastly, WTF, are the parents doing going to their gawldamned Bishop and Stake President for? If you are concerned about your child being molest go the fragging police you dip****s


This is the one thing everyone should have learned from the Catholic church abuse horror.
_harmony
_Emeritus
Posts: 18195
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:35 am

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _harmony »

café crema wrote:This is the one thing everyone should have learned from the Catholic church abuse horror.


Do you honestly expect the Brethren to admit to learning anything from the Catholic church?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
_cafe crema
_Emeritus
Posts: 2042
Joined: Tue May 11, 2010 5:07 am

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _cafe crema »

harmony wrote:
café crema wrote:This is the one thing everyone should have learned from the Catholic church abuse horror.


Do you honestly expect the Brethren to admit to learning anything from the Catholic church?


Well in going straight to the police to report abuse and informing the church later one is not necessarily admitting to learning anything from the Catholic church. After all they are simply reporting a crime same as burglary, assault and so on, no need to say reporting crimes was learned from the Catholics. But really everyone should have figured this out from the reporting of the Catholic abuse.
_why me
_Emeritus
Posts: 9589
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:19 pm

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _why me »

TrashcanMan79 wrote:
Rather than call police, the boy's parents -- and Brock's husband, Maricopa County Supervisor Fulton Brock -- called their bishops in the LDS church after learning about the abuse.



it seems that the boy's parents and her husband did a cop out by not reporting it to the police. I am sure that the bishops may have said to them to report the abuse to the police. That would be the rational thing to say to the people reporting the abuse. First, there needs to be proof that the boy was being abused. Second, If no proof is offered, the bishops could be in legal trouble with the woman who was claimed to be abusing the boy if the charges are false.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith


We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
_why me
_Emeritus
Posts: 9589
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:19 pm

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _why me »

If I go into the bishop's office and say that John Bunker is abusing his son and then tell the bishop to report it to the police, what should the bishop say to me? Should he report John to the police? What if the charges are not true? Who gets sued? Certainly not me since there is no proof that I made the claim.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith


We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
_3sheets2thewind
_Emeritus
Posts: 1451
Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:28 pm

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _3sheets2thewind »

why me,


that is a different situation than the Brock case. Brock told her Bishop what she had done. There is nothing in the LDS teachings which makes is reasonable within the tenants of the LDS Church to allow child molestation to occur.
_Doctor CamNC4Me
_Emeritus
Posts: 21663
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:02 am

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _Doctor CamNC4Me »

Hello,

Hrm. Adults come to me distraught. Adults tell me another adult is damned their kid.

Hrm.

What do I do?

It's a damned mystery!

Call the police assholes.

V/R
Dr. Cam
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
_why me
_Emeritus
Posts: 9589
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:19 pm

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _why me »

3sheets2thewind wrote:why me,


that is a different situation than the Brock case. Brock told her Bishop what she had done. There is nothing in the LDS teachings which makes is reasonable within the tenants of the LDS Church to allow child molestation to occur.


I thought that it was brock's husband who went to the bishop.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith


We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
_why me
_Emeritus
Posts: 9589
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:19 pm

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _why me »

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Hello,

Hrm. Adults come to me distraught. Adults tell me another adult is f*****g their kid.

Hrm.

What do I do?

It's a f*****g mystery!

Call the police assholes.

V/R
Dr. Cam


Well, I don't know. Lets look at the poor french guy who was head of the IMF. A woman makes an allegation about what happened in the hotel room...the guy is dragged off the plane...handcuffed...and the next day dragged into court with handcuffs...unshaven....appears before the judge...sent to the worst prison in the USA....and waits there a few days...until he gets bail. Now if this was a poor sucker he would still be in jail. And yet, he hasn't been proven guilty etc.

Now that is cruel. And if it is proven that the woman lied...what then? Now imagine if the bishop goes by what these people said and reported it to the police and discovers that it was all a lie. Who gets sued?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith


We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
_Chap
_Emeritus
Posts: 14190
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:23 am

Re: Should LDS Bishops Be Charged in Susan Brock Sex Scandal?

Post by _Chap »

Lets look at the poor french guy who was head of the IMF. A woman makes an allegation about what happened in the hotel room...the guy is dragged off the plane...handcuffed...and the next day dragged into court with handcuffs...unshaven....appears before the judge...sent to the worst prison in the USA....and waits there a few days...until he gets bail. Now if this was a poor sucker he would still be in jail. And yet, he hasn't been proven guilty etc.

Now that is cruel. And if it is proven that the woman lied...what then?


Foolishly I looked at this thread before I logged on, and saw this stuff. The mere fact ... that it is one of those posts ... with dots ... should have warned me to LOOK AWAY NOW. But now I am hooked.

US laws treats an attempt at rape as a serious crime, since rape is an intolerable invasion of a person's body. and a gross disrespect to their rights to decide what is done with that body. I'm OK with that, and so are most men who have learned to respect and love the women in their lives.

US police practice takes allegations of rape or attempted rape seriously, in part since it is well known that this is not an allegation that any normal woman will make lightly, partly because there are so many stupid pigs like whyme about, and partly because they know that on the witness stand the defense attorney will do his best to suggest that she is a whore, either amateur or professional, or that she is mentally unbalanced, or that she is a blackmailer.

A poor African immigrant woman went to the NYPD, who are by no means bleeding-heart liberals, and said that a man had jumped out of the shower and tried to rape her while she was doing her job of cleaning a hotel room. They found her story worth taking seriously, to the point that when they found the man was just about to leave the US for a country (France) which does not have a good record of extraditing its nationals to the US on sex charges (think Polanski), they took rapid action to stop him leaving. He went before a judge as soon as practicable, and both sets of attorneys were free to persuade the judge to give him bail or refuse it. At that time the judge thought it was not safe to do so because of the risk he might abscond: now a later judge has decided to grant bail, but under very strict conditions. Further, a Grand Jury of randomly chosen NY citizens has looked at the evidence for the charges and decided that they should go to trial. No system of justice is perfect, but I think this one is by no means the worst one in the world.

If whyme thinks US prisons are nasty, brutal places, and could and ought to be made better, then I am with him there. If he dislikes the media-generated custom of the 'perp walk' in handcuffs when a prisoner poses no risk of violent attempts at escape, I am with him there.

But the fact that as soon as someone rich and powerful and male is accused of attempted rape by someone poor and powerless and female he breaks out his lavender-scented handkerchief and bursts into tears of pity at the cruelty of it all - frankly that makes me feel like puking.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Post Reply