Korihor was not a Leftist

[_Droopy]

Also, it must really irk you, though not as much as it does Droopy, that the Church teaches Korihor is a laissez-faire economist.

The author of the Institute manual had taught this, yes. Does this mean the Church? If the manual was quoting the historical consensus statements of the Brethren, or if the author was not wandering well out beyond what the text would bear, then yes, I would say so.

[_Kishkumen]

that's a long list of things to be simultaneously, no wonder you see the Left everywhere!

He's a loon.

[Guest]

Its just a little Nietzsche sprinkled with a bit of Hefner's "playboy philosophy" mixed with a little Sagan, and little Dawkins, and a dash of John Galt just to give it that all important appearance of hard realism.

What an odd person you are.

What would the GASTP by without Kish. One can always count on him to add a scintillating dose of clarity, depth, and intellectual rigor to any serious discussion.

[_Droopy]

The simultaneous and seemingly schizophrenic focus of the modern Left upon, on one hand and in certain venues, intense, atomistic personal autonomy, and collectivist regimentation and social control on the other, in other venues, has been noted by other thinkers, and I'll just note it again here.

that's a long list of things to be simultaneously, no wonder you see the Left everywhere!

I suspect you don't even know what I'm talking about.

[_Gadianton]

And saying that "the Left" is schizophrenic such that individualism and collectivism both present in just the right mix of Hefner, Nietzsche, Sagan, Dawkins, and Galt is an example of clear thinking and rigor?

[_Kishkumen]

And saying that "the Left" is schizophrenic such that individualism and collectivism both present in just the right mix of Hefner, Nietzsche, Sagan, Dawkins, and Galt is an example of clear thinking and rigor?

I think it is more of an "everything and the kitchen sink" approach.

[_Simon Belmont]

And saying that "the Left" is schizophrenic such that individualism and collectivism both present in just the right mix of Hefner, Nietzsche, Sagan, Dawkins, and Galt is an example of clear thinking and rigor?

<offtopic>

Hey Gadianton, serious question: how is your Enoch novel coming along? Still ready for release this summer?

</offtopic>

[_Gadianton]

Hi Simon,

Enoch is coming along, it's a solid 40k words at this point so it's about 35% done I think.

Unfortunately, it will not be ready by Summer 2011. There were a couple things I didn't consider when setting that goal and I've been a little bit lazy in my work.

I recognize that by not reaching this goal that the project as planned has failed, I admit defeat and embarrassment in the matter. You have every right to consider the work a failure because of this, in fact.

But, unlike many, I can own up to my failures, take the truth, and resolve to stand back up and try again.

[_EAllusion]

Libertarianism grew out of a revival of classic liberalism and anti-statist interest along with the development of libertarian rights thinkers. There was a recognition that conservatives were more tradition bound and divergent from this than is acceptable to be housed under the same label. The main sticking points were lack of conservative respect for certain social liberties, conservatives' tendency towards authoritarianism, more imperial foreign policy from conservatives, and a dissatisfaction with then moderate economic views from conservatives. Hayek's "Why I'm not a conservative" lays out the groundwork for why libertarians rose up as a separate category. To call this a creation of the sociopolitical left is one of the most bizarre assertions about the the development of libertarian thought I've ever seen. I guess it comes from the ideas that libertarians and liberals agree on, but I think it speaks to just how amorphous the term is as Droopy uses it. It's really just code for, "my enemies."

[_Kishkumen]

I guess it comes from the ideas that libertarians and liberals agree on, but I think it speaks to just how amorphous the term is as Droopy uses it. It's really just code for, "my enemies."

Exactly.