If the church is not true, would you want to know?

Post by **_Polygamy-Porter** » Tue May 24, 2011 3:04 pm

Listen to the beginning of this report where a CNN report talks with one of the Xtians who believed the world would end on the 21st of May:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestof ... aldwin.cnn

Mormons are just like that guy being interviewed.

Ask a Mormon, "If the church is not true, would you want to know?" and chances are they will not give you a straight yes or no.

Post by **_Buffalo** » Tue May 24, 2011 3:11 pm

Polygamy-Porter wrote:Listen to the beginning of this report where a CNN report talks with one of the Xtians who believed the world would end on the 21st of May:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestof ... aldwin.cnn

Mormons are just like that guy being interviewed.

Ask a Mormon, "If the church is not true, would you want to know?" and chances are they will not give you a straight yes or no.

I wouldn't have answered that question. But the answer would have been no, I didn't want to know.

Post by **_stemelbow** » Tue May 24, 2011 3:12 pm

Yes, I"d love to know.

Post by **_jon** » Tue May 24, 2011 3:20 pm

In my experience the Mormons who would answer 'yes, I'd like to know' either already know or at least strongly suspect.

Post by **_malaise** » Tue May 24, 2011 4:16 pm

stemelbow wrote:Yes, I"d love to know.

Why do you believe the Church is true? I would like to "save your soul" by converting you to agnosticism.

Post by **_thews** » Tue May 24, 2011 10:44 pm

stemelbow wrote:Yes, I"d love to know.

Then read this:
http://mormonthink.com/

Regarding the OP, I've read many posts by Mormons who state outright that there isn't any evidence that can sway them from their testimony. Enuma has stated that he would believe a translation of the Kinderhook plates done by Joseph Smith knowing they were a hoax. That pretty much sums up the commitment to belief... it's true even if it's known to be untrue.

Post by **_Wisdom Seeker** » Tue May 24, 2011 10:56 pm

stemelbow wrote:Yes, I"d love to know.

Then one must accept that they might be wrong and then search, ponder and pray. Or as ETB said, Beware of Pride.

Post by **_DarkHelmet** » Wed May 25, 2011 12:26 am

stemelbow wrote:Yes, I"d love to know.

In what ways can the truthfulness of the church be tested? Assuming the church's truth claims are falsifiable, how would we test it?

Post by **_Polygamy-Porter** » Wed May 25, 2011 2:17 am

DarkHelmet wrote:
stemelbow wrote:Yes, I"d love to know.

In what ways can the truthfulness of the church be tested? Assuming the church's truth claims are falsifiable, how would we test it?

Good question.

Mormons gain their belief via a subjective experience.

Exmormons lose their belief via objective facts.

Post by **_zeezrom** » Wed May 25, 2011 2:49 am

I agree PP. However, there are some subjective feelings for me as well. For example, I have prayed and received the same subjective answers I got all my life as a TBM. These are the experiments I ran:

1. Pray to nothing
2. Pray to Athena
3. Read the Odyssey
4. Read Book of Abraham chapter 4-5 about the Mormon pantheon
5. Ponder paganism

All produced similar, yet powerful results

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