Kevin Graham Resorts to Intimidation Tactics

[_Pahoran]

Dude why are you mad? I can feel the mad dripping off of you.

Anything to say that might be on topic?

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Pahoran]

Kish,

On the topic: any thoughts as to why Kevin's post resembles Magdalena's?

Regards,
Pahoran

I thought your theory was at least a possibility.

On the other hand, it is entirely possible that:

1) Kevin read the criticism and liked it, or

Yes, I thought of that too. But he said he hasn't been to CARM in over a decade.

2) It is the kind of thing more than one critic of Mormonism has picked up on.

Any further thoughts from you?

My first thought about that is: in the almost identical words?

I agree that "critics of Mormonism" would be likely to uncritically swallow any suggestion that the Church might be rorting the system. Indeed, I can see them giggling madly about it and happily passing it around amongst themselves -- and so it stays under the radar for six months?

Okay, I don't have eyes and ears everywhere -- maybe it surfaced somewhere else when I wasn't looking -- but here's the breakdown of the key elements of the two statements:

Kevin: "So the LDS arm is a foreign non-profit organization"
Magdalena: "So they're a foreign non-profit organization"

Kevin: "milking millions from British tax payers."
Magdalena: "bilking millions of dollars from the UK government and tax payers."

Kevin: "This is funding that should be going"
Magdalena: "Money that should be going"

Kevin: "to British farmers who depend on it for their livelihoods."
Magdalena: "to British farmers who depend on it for their livelihoods."

The same two sentences, with almost but not quite identical wording.

Looks like the product of the same mind to me.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Kishkumen]

Yes, I thought of that too. But he said he hasn't been to CARM in over a decade.

I had taken that to mean that he hadn't posted there in a very long time. I am not sure it means that he never lurks there to see what is going on. He could have picked up the information from there.

Looks like the product of the same mind to me.

I'm guessing that Kevin's post is the product of his use of Google, which landed him at Magdalena's post.

[_Pahoran]

Yes, I thought of that too. But he said he hasn't been to CARM in over a decade.

I had taken that to mean that he hadn't posted there in a very long time. I am not sure it means that he never lurks there to see what is going on. He could have picked up the information from there.

Looks like the product of the same mind to me.

I'm guessing that Kevin's post is the product of his use of Google, which landed him at Magdalena's post.

And that is your actual conclusion, is it?

Tell me: if the subject of this discussion was, say, Will, would you be so charitable in your views?

And why did Kevin simply ignore me referring to him as "the Cracker," but then went ballistic when I tied him to "Magdalena?"

Regards,
Pahoran

[Guest]

And that is your actual conclusion, is it?

It is my guess. If you can provide evidence of a pattern of similarities in the two posters, I'll reconsider.

Tell me: if the subject of this discussion was, say, Will, would you be so charitable in your views?

It depends on the issue. Since the subject here is not the treatment of individual people, I am less worked up about it. So, if Will were to comment on the Ex-Mormon Foundation's anti-Mormon propaganda, I would be more likely to give him a fair hearing than I would if he were to insult a friend's personal appearance.

"Magdalena?"

Well, it is possible that Magdalena is, as you suggested, his sock puppet. It could also be the case that he is trying to associate you with the same gender issues that Will exhibited. Or maybe he is just being your average dude who doesn't like being called Susie.

[_Pahoran]

Well, it is possible that Magdalena is, as you suggested, his sock puppet. It could also be the case that he is trying to associate you with the same gender issues that Will exhibited. Or maybe he is just being your average dude who doesn't like being called Susie.

Could be, but notice the threat: he said that if I didn't stop, he'd post my in real life name on his blog.

In other words, he thought that "outing" me was the appopriate and symmetrical response to me associating him with "Magdalena."

Which would make sense if thereby I had "outed" him.

Which, by an association of ideas, calls up the image of Kevin Graham in drag.

Oh dear.

I think I feel a song coming on:

Si, Kevin Graham posts on CARM as Magdalena,
He's a brute with no conscience, and boy he'd like to brain ya!
He'll try to fool you with the dance of Magdalena;
Eeeeeh, Magdalena!

Regards,
Pahoran

[_bcspace]

And now he wants to start threads over at MAD (where he knows I cannot respond!) accusing me of being some woman on a forum I haven't been on in over a decade.

Not a woman!!??

[_jon]

On the topic: any thoughts as to why Kevin's post resembles Magdalena's?

Regards,
Pahoran

I don't really know that anyone can offer an explanation other than Kevin.

Speculating though, it might be the same reason why parts of the Book of Mormon replicate parts of the Bible, or why the Book of Abraham papyri is similar to a Book of Breathings, or why the Temple ceremonies bare a striking resemblance to masonry, or why...well...you get the point...

As for Kevin, if he is 'guilty' of hiding a secret identity or plagarising another persons thread and telling a fib to cover his tracks, then I would suggest that he is in good company...

[_Kevin Graham]

This thread was yet another red herring to help Pahoran avoid the uncomfortable topic that haunts him: his client's propensity for sexually repulsive innuendo.

So...

When EA mentioned yesterday that Pahoran had alerted his MAD audience that I was posting at CARM as "Magdalena" I just laughed, and never went to go find out what his reasons were.

The reason I never complained about the "Cracker" crack (pun intended) probably has to do with the fact that it brings back fond memories of the past. In High School everyone called me Cracker. So much so, that some people never knew what my real name was. Even during football games the announcer would refer to me as Cracker (i.e "Cracker drops back to pass"). Last year I attended my twenty-year reunion and sure enough, everyone called me Cracker again. So no, I see no reason to be upset about it. However, to label me a woman for no apparent reason and accuse me of using multiple identities, all the while you are hiding behind a pseudonym (and the protection of the Mods, who refuse to allow anyone to reveal your in real life identity) ... there is just something annoyingly hypocritical about that. As far as my so called "intimidation" goes, I merely said I would make Pahoran's in real life identity known to a wider audience if he persisted with this nonsensical accusation against me. How the hell is that intimidation? Pahoran quotes me so far as I say he will regret it" but he doesn't explain why he'll regret it. He'll regret it because he absolutely hates it when his real name is associated with his Pahoran persona. I know because he PMed me a couple years ago asking me to stop using his real name. Ironic, given that this is the same guy who published the in real life identity of my friend JP Holding.

Now, as I've stated, I haven't posted at CARM since Matt Slick banned MsJack as a moderator some ten years ago. As to why my remark is so similar to hers, the reason escaped me for a second until I remembered the circumstances in which this reference was googled. But relax, the reason for this is simple, and not nearly as malicious as some of you might hope. What happened is that I was here working with a buddy of mine who is also an "apostate." He never posts on the forums but he follows what goes on. He was reading through the Italian welfare thread when he decided to google "Mormon - subsidy." I was on the other side of the room on my laptop when he said, "Kev, check this out..." And he then began to read off the remarks made on the website he was reading. So I just started transcribing more or less what he read off, but obviously not exactly as he said it. I then said "shoot me a link" which he did via yahoo messenger. He sent me the link to the original article posted by the Guardian, not the link to the website where he was reading the summary by "Magdelena."

That's that. Mystery solved. So now that I just stepped on a molehill where Pahoran aspired to construct a replica of Mount Everest, what will come of this thread now? If there are any more allegations of mischief that I can put to rest, just let me know so we can take care of them right here, right now. Unlike Pahoran, I don't have a problem answering questions... about anything really.

But in the meantime, it would be great if Pahoran would reciprocate and address the numerous questions I have posed to him the past few days. He explains his refusal to address the questions as a result of his lack of interest. But little does he know, it is for his own benefit. If he could just swallow his pride and condemn the actions of his comrade in arms, he can clear his name to at least some extent.

Could be, but notice the threat: he said that if I didn't stop, he'd post my in real life name on his blog. In other words, he thought that "outing" me was the appopriate and symmetrical response to me associating him with "Magdalena." Which would make sense if thereby I had "outed" him.

ROFL! You've already been "outed." There isn't a single person on this forum who doesn't know your in real life identity. But I know you hate it when we mention it because you're afraid of friends and family googling your name and associating you with the Pahoran persona. No Pahoran, you didn't out me. I just signed up at CARM tonight just to get more information on this "Magdalena" character. Apparently, she is a senior member who has posted some 4,500 posts since 2009, and 22 posts just yesterday. I've posted only 2500 times since 2006.

Seriously, a casual perusal of her posting history would quickly disabuse anyone of the notion that we are one and the same. She frequently says things I never say, such as "God bless you" and preaches an Evangelical tune, which to me, is just as horrific as the Mormon tune. I don't even consider myself a Christian anymore. But nice try Pahoran. I'll be sure to get you a "connect the dots" coloring book for Christmas.

[_Buffalo]

And this is just one more reason why I've always referred to Kevin Graham as "Angry McAngerton."

How ironic that you refer to Kevin this way in a thread initiated by your hero since he (Pahorny) has the lowest substance to anger ratio of anyone posting on these forums. (By the way, I suspect he may have single handedly destroyed the MAD board.)

Kevin at least analyzes things and presents data and argumentation. He could be quite angry and still have a relatively high substance to anger ratio.

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