Why aren't these guys Mormons?

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Re: Why aren't these guys Mormons?

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"We declare to the world that the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth." —Elder L. Tom Perry: The Message of the Restoration

Nehor you need to keep up...

The Nehor wrote:And it has been. It was restored with Joseph getting all the keys of the Priesthood and the restoration of all the ordinances and teachings of salvation.

That does not mean all things have been restored yet. The fullness of the gospel refers to everything required for eternal lives in the world to come. Not every gospel practice in the history of this world. That is still ongoing and will not be finished until Christ returns though I expect more of it will happen before he comes as well.


Last one out of Nehor's world turn the light off...
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Re: Why aren't these guys Mormons?

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The Nehor wrote:
Morley wrote:Aren't they the same church?


I don't think so.

The FAIR website claims, "Thus, the Latter-day Saints claim their church is an actual restoration of primitive Christianity, as it existed under the Apostles in the first century A.D." You seem to be saying they are different.


I am. I believe that the LDS Church is a restoration of primitive Christianity but not of the primitive Church itself. It probably sounds like hair-splitting. The difference rarely matters unless you start messing around with people from different dispensations mingling together.

Since this usually only happens in heaven where we can't see it and on abandoned roads when three nice young men help Sister Helga Hudson when she gets a flat tire the distinction is rarely important.

The only practical change is that President Monson can't tell the Three Nephites or John or Moses of Elijah or Enoch or angels from heaven how they can and cannot use their Priesthood and cannot act as their spiritual leader. He has no authority to do so. General Conference is not revelation for them like it is for the Church and the world. They don't belong to a ward or stake, don't need to interview with anyone for a Temple Recommend, and don't pay tithing or give fast offerings. At least not in the LDS organization.


Nehor, where are you getting this--and the other theories you've expounded on this subject? Is this your own speculation or do you have some doctrinal (or anecdotal) backing?
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Morley wrote:Nehor, where are you getting this--and the other theories you've expounded on this subject? Is this your own speculation or do you have some doctrinal (or anecdotal) backing?


Combo of scriptures, revelation, and discussions with leaders about Priesthood keys. You would probably call it anecdotal. But it is true.
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jon wrote:Last one out of Nehor's world turn the light off...


Yeah, figured you couldn't cope with that answer.
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Re: Why aren't these guys Mormons?

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The Nehor wrote:
Morley wrote:Nehor, where are you getting this--and the other theories you've expounded on this subject? Is this your own speculation or do you have some doctrinal (or anecdotal) backing?


Combo of scriptures, revelation, and discussions with leaders about Priesthood keys. You would probably call it anecdotal. But it is true.


Yeah, I do call it anecdotal. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position to me, Nehor.
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