SCHRYVER SPEAKS: Hauglid & Bokovoy "traitors"

[_Joseph]

shrill cryer wrote: "My only commentary on their actions is: “You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.”
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Well shrill one, my dogs don't have fleas but they are smart enough that they won't let you lie down with them. There are some junkyard dogs in a nearby town that might be a good fit for you. Do you want me to check and see if the owener will let you in at night?

[_Chap]

This is a mostly pointless message board, not a battleground for the souls of humankind.

Damn. So I've been wasting my time here. Back to sacrificing babies then.

[_Kishkumen]

It appears to me that Enuma Elish is saying that he had nothing to do with the decision regarding the publication of Schryver's Book of Abraham work. If that is so, he may also have had nothing to do with communicating with NAMIRS about Will at all. In that case, we have either misinterpreted the message that Will communicated through Nomad, or Will was simply wrong. What an interesting jumble, and Will seems determined to continue to stir the pot.

I can't imagine that such drama is something NAMIRS is looking for.

[_Kishkumen]

Let me put it this way: if this person is a Will Schryver sockpuppet, then Will is the greatest mole/traitor that the apologists have ever known.

At this point, I am not sure I would disbelieve Will's involvement in just about any angle. I just hope none of this gets any more serious.

[_moksha]

Well shrill one, my dogs don't have fleas but they are smart enough that they won't let you lie down with them.

Facing such a rejection, I bet I know what name he would call them.

[_Bond James Bond]

I have to chuckle at the predictably apocalyptic language: "traitors." It's as if David and Brian have gone over to the forces of evil and mobocracy simply by expressing disapproval of someone's posting style.

Oh no. They're halfway to apostasy. Jello shots will be downed by both within two months.

This is a mostly pointless message board, not a battleground for the souls of humankind.

This message board is the front line of the battle for the hearts and minds of 12 lurkers. Fight on!

[_harmony]

Thanks Kevin for drawing my attention to this issue. I offer no personal defense, but Brian Hauglid is an outstanding person and a great scholar.

Well, then... we'd be pleased to welcome him here, for here he will be among friends.

I'm not officially connected with NAMI and have no idea whatsoever what is/is not going on with Will's publishing efforts.

It doesn't look like Will knows what's going on either.

I'm sorry to hear that his work may not appear in print. I hope that it does.

I'm sorry too. And I hope it does too. Probably not for the same reasons as you, though!

Still love ya!

[_Enuma Elish]

It appears to me that Enuma Elish is saying that he had nothing to do with the decision regarding the publication of Schryver's Book of Abraham work. If that is so, he may also have had nothing to do with communicating with NAMIRS about Will at all. In that case, we have either misinterpreted the message that Will communicated through Nomad, or Will was simply wrong. What an interesting jumble, and Will seems determined to continue to stir the pot.

I can't imagine that such drama is something NAMIRS is looking for.

It's true. I have not been involved with any behind the scenes exchanges in anyway critical of Will and/or his research. It's not in my nature. My only involvement in this issue is the one that has been carried out in public via this and the other board; no emails, no phone calls, no personal conversations.

I honestly have no idea what is or is not happening, but the only way that I could be in anyway a contributor to the scene is if the public nature of mine and Will's disagreement has caused others to lurk and come to their own conclusion on this matter via second hand reports. However, nothing whatsoever has ever come from me beyond what has been accessible through these public forums.

It's true that Brian and I are close friends and kindred spirits on many levels, including our opposition to angry apologetics, however, to label Brian as a "traitor" or as one who would carry on a behind the scenes effort to paint Will or anyone else in a negative light is ridiculous to say the least. He is an honest, sincere, kindly soul. We've been friends for several years and I cannot say enough good things about this great man.

There are probably many Latter-day Saints who disagree with Will's behavior in terms of his efforts to defend the faith, but who would happily welcome him back as a trusted friend if he would offer sincere apologies to those whom he has offended and begin treating critics with respect and kindness.

I know I certainly would.

That's really all I have to say on the matter.

[_TrashcanMan79]

...if he would offer sincere apologies to those whom he has offended and begin treating critics with respect and kindness...

[_Kishkumen]

It's true. I have not been involved with any behind the scenes exchanges in anyway critical of Will and/or his research. It's not in my nature. My only involvement in this issue is the one that has been carried out in public via this and the other board; no emails, no phone calls, no personal conversations.

Hopefully, Will can accept your word this time and not continue to implicate you in some kind of concerted, behind-the-scenes effort to frustrate his aspirations to publish with NAMI.

It's true that Brian and I are close friends and kindred spirits on many levels, including our opposition to angry apologetics, however, to label Brian as a "traitor" or as one who would carry on a behind the scenes effort to paint Will or anyone else in a negative light is ridiculous to say the least. He is an honest, sincere, kindly soul. We've been friends for several years and I cannot say enough good things about this great man.

So, based on your sense of Dr. Hauglid's character, you have a difficult time believing the rumor, which for all we know may be a story of Will's crafting, that he had anything to do with stopping the publication of Will's Book of Abraham material.

There are probably many Latter-day Saints who disagree with Will's behavior in terms of his efforts to defend the faith, but who would happily welcome him back as a trusted friend if he would offer sincere apologies to those whom he has offended and begin treating critics with respect and kindness.

Perhaps Will would be better served by following your advice than by continuing to blame you for recent setbacks.

At this point, the only thing that seems certain to me is that MsJack received an email from someone connected to NAMI who works at BYU, informing her that her thread on Will's misogynistic rhetoric here had contributed somehow to the decision not to publish Will's work. Beyond that, I am not confident we know much of anything.