Lady Catherine makes a change

[_Bond James Bond]

When I get married that word will not be in the vows my wife says, by my own choice. (If she doesn't bring it up that is :D )

[_MsJack]

Jack, hi. by the way, what happened to your priesthood thread? I vote that should take #1 of MDB threads

I haven't had the time to do the quality of work on it that I would like to do. Hopefully I will return to it eventually.

[_zeezrom]

Oh, and I need to add one more thing. I realize the act of getting married is really not what's important but rather the long-term commitment. We see examples that speak to us. Take Elizabeth Taylor and Nicky's wedding and honeymoon.

But having a memory of an event that you create together seems ideal.

[_ludwigm]

I don't remember if that was in my wife's vows or not. It's a moot point, though, since I'm the one obeying.

All of us know it.
Most of us perceive it.
Few of us take notice of it.
None of us declare it.

You and me are exceptions. Genus' of die out.

[_Malcolm]

Actually the Church of England gives this choice to all marriages. If I remember correctly, Will and Kate chose the 1966 ceremony in the Church of England Book of Common Prayer, which has options for either inserting the word "obey" or leaving it out. It's entirely the couples choice.

If a couple wants really traditional language and really traditional vows, then they will likely choose the 1662 ritual from the Book of Common Prayer. This ceremony pretty much coined all of the terms that English speaking people associate with marriage ("Dearly beloved... yadda yadda yadda"). My guess is that if you want 1662 traditional, you will stick with the traditional "obey" language.

Yes, it is exactly as Aristotle says, Katherine Middleton, made a 'choice' from the pre-existing orders of marriage, that exist within the Church of England, rather than a 'change' as several media sources stated.
It is interesting to note, that whenever, a female commoner married into the Royal family, the word "obey" was used purely as a message indicating that she would obey him as her husband, or man. Whereas, once they become King and Queen, history has shown that a Queen may choose to 'obey' or not as she pleased. It worked pretty well, unless your husband was Henry V111.

[_maklelan]

Princess Katherine followed her husband's mother, Princess Diana, who omitted "obey" in her 1981 vows. It was much more controversial back then.

[_ludwigm]

...unless your husband was Henry V111.

???

In decimal, he was 8th. In binary, he was Henry V1000. The (roman)VIII. one.

[_Malcolm]

...unless your husband was Henry V111.

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In decimal, he was 8th. In binary, he was Henry V1000. The (roman)VIII. one.

It is of course Henry VIII. This old man hit the wrong key.

Mea Culpa. Mea Maxima Culpa.

[_zeezrom]

Isn't it spelled Catherine?

[_Malcolm]

Isn't it spelled Catherine?

Hi Zee,
You are correct, it is spelled Catherine. Even after the wedding, the local paper for Windsor and Eton was printing her name as Katherine. I guess that is where I picked it up. Another confusion is that friends and family refer to her as Kate and not Cate as is the case with Cate Blanchett the actress.

Her title now is Her Royal Highness Princess William of Wales, Duchess of Cambridge. She is not a blue blooded royal and therefore cannot be called Princess Catherine, but her marriage to Prince William gives her the right, according to Court etiquette, to use his name. I suppose it will be some while before the media and the public get used to find a title that they are comfy with, so for now she is Princess Kate in the people's eyes.