Of course I hate the LDS church. Is that a problem?

[_Redefined]

Yeah, stupid parent's trying to teach their children what they feel is best. It's all their fault, isn't it! My parents told me "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" -- LIES! I ate an apple every single day, yet still caught cold that year.

Ah yes, poor little Simon Appleseed, your life must have been so horrible growing up with your parents foolish indoctrinations! I mean how truly hard it must have been for you having to eat an apple each day! What if one day you didn't feel like having that apple, and wanted an orange instead...oh the tragedy, such confliction! And I'm sure your parents told you that you must find a spouse that had eaten apples everyday too, lest your babies come out with a curse of unwellness and die of some terrible disease...because one of yas didn't eat an apple a day like yas was sposed to! A curse that is demonstrated of course through a dark-tint of the skin, and not white and delightsome like those of the valiant who had in fact eaten their apples everyday!

Oh, Simon, my heart is heavy with sorrow for what you had to endure! Brother, the only reason the apple didn't work for you is that you lacked the faith! Return to the fold, dearest Simon. Trust in the apple god with all your heart and lean not unto thine own understanding, is my solemn prayer for you, Simon.

And maybe we should exchange pictures of our apple shrines sometime, for ye knowest that every apple-eating devotee has one!

[_asbestosman]

Sounds like a virtue to me!

Any adult who sexually molests a child deserves any type of abuse that is heaped his/her way. And, as a Mom....God help you if you touch any of my kids. I'll make sure you're singing soprano for life!

Amen.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth would leave us all blind and toothless.

An adult who sexually molests a child deserves to be severely punished, but there is such a thing as cruel or unjust punishments. Why is it that we do not believe in using physical pain to punish criminals in the law? Why do you think there was an outcry about water-boarding? If torture is justified, is it only justified for child-molesters or is it also justified to save lives? If torture is justified, is there any form of torture that goes too far?

Do I feel angry at child abusers? Absolutely. I hope I never meet one because I know I may lose control and do something I'd later regret. Violence shouldn't be the answer unless violence is an immediate necessity for safety during an emergency. Shooting a person who is in the act of abusing another and will not stop? Probably justified. Shooting someone who poses no immediate threat? Not justified. If we are to mature as a society, we need to control our first impulse in as much as possible and then think things through.

[_Buffalo]

I'm with you, except for child abusers. I have no sympathy and I don't care about their rights. Sorry.

[_Tchild]

What's wrong with wanting to bash something you hate? mocking Mormonism makes me happy

Nothing.

Part of the "recovery from Mormonism" journey, often is a healthy dose of anger / hate / hatred / fury / rage at the institution of Mormonism and its fear based teachings topped off with extraordinary amounts of guilt, shame and self-righteous judgementalism that it subjects all too commonly to its involuntary members (those born into the church and not given a choice as to whether they wanted to be subjected to its mythical worldview).

Who cares what turds like Simon think, many of them are arm-chair Mormons to begin with, hardly understanding what the church teaches and incapable of exerting any sacrifice to the church beyond posting opinions as anonymous internet slugs (and you know that saying about opinions? They are like A-holes; everyone has one).

Let the anger out. It is healthy, and it will pass with time.

[_Morley]

Just so you know, malaise, there is no point talking to Simon about this stuff. He doesn't really understand the concept of personal responsibility like he thinks he does.

If you were affected by church culture as a child forced by your parents to attend church weekly, you have nobody but yourself to blame.

However, if you get angry at critics for not respecting what is important to you, then your anger is all the critics' fault.

In other words, active mo's are the only ones that never have to take responsibility... apparently. Either that, or Simon is a massively intellectually dishonest dumb ass. I'll leave it to you to determine which of those two options seems more likely.

Wrong.

Simon, please be more specific.

[_asbestosman]

I'm with you, except for child abusers. I have no sympathy and I don't care about their rights. Sorry.

Do you at least see a difference between some loser who gets off on computer-generated or cartoon CP and the monster who keeps kids locked in his basement? The law punishes both, but I believe the law notices that one is far more dangerous than the other and adjusts the punishment accordingly. The other reason for the justice system is to ensure that we're punishing someone who is actually guilty and not punishing the mentally infirm (although we would not leave the infirm free to abuse another). It can be hard to defend yourself from false accusations of abuse if you are a man. Remember the Duke Lacrosse players--and that wasn't even child abuse.

Furthermore, there are varying degrees of non-sexual child abuse. A man who leaves bruises and welts on a kid is in a different position than one who verbally berates children. That is different than the man who leaves his kids locked in the car one day while going shopping for a minute--a stupid thing to do especially on a hot day, but often just a result of stupidity instead of malice.

But I am curious about something else. What makes child abuse so special? Why do we not feel similar anger to those who abuse the elderly, or the infirm? Why not the same level of hatred to rapists? There seems to be something special about child abuse that sets it apart from abusing other defenseless people. What is it? Is it just instinct, or is there a more rational basis that set it above other forms of harming the weak?

[_why me]

Sounds like a virtue to me!

Any adult who sexually molests a child deserves any type of abuse that is heaped his/her way. And, as a Mom....God help you if you touch any of my kids. I'll make sure you're singing soprano for life!

This is may get a quick feeling of justice but at the end of the day, it doesn't make the world or our society a better place to live. Too much hatred already. But as a parent, I can understand the emotion. But as a human being such emotions need to be control before violence shows itself.

The american frontier was a violent place. Just ask the Indians. And the Mormons experienced the hatred also. Hate is very powerful and it consumes a life.

[_Joseph]

simone wrote: "Yes yes, it's your parent's fault. It's the church's fault. It's the neighbor's fault. It's anyone's fault but your own.

I've heard it all before, thousands of times."
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So, do you keep count in a special diary? A book of rememberance? Use a touch pad or pocket calculator? How many thousands are we talking about? How do you have time to do anything if you spend so much time listening to these stories so often?

[_Simon Belmont]

simone wrote: "Yes yes, it's your parent's fault. It's the church's fault. It's the neighbor's fault. It's anyone's fault but your own.

I've heard it all before, thousands of times."
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So, do you keep count in a special diary? A book of rememberance? Use a touch pad or pocket calculator? How many thousands are we talking about? How do you have time to do anything if you spend so much time listening to these stories so often?

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[_Joseph]

so smone, are you lying about the 'thousands'?

I don't believe you count much of anything and deep down know l-dsinc is full of crap and run by old men who take your money and shovel the BS out by the truckload. They know joeyboy was a sexual predator, a liar and a cheat and they try to keep members from this knowledge by any means possible.

Yep, I hate liars like this also, is that a problem?

by the way boy, what lies did the Nauvoo Expositor print & how come the Joe smith prophet manual doesn't mention he had more wives than Baskin Robbins has flavors of ice cream?