Jack Welch: A "dark, menacing presence"?

[_Simon Belmont]

When the folks who dwell at MDB hear only one side of the story -- a side which they've already decided is the the correct side -- it is easy to use virtually any scenario to attack or mock the church.

This is a case in point: what we have is hearsay, one guy's side of the story. And notice the emotionally charged words he uses: The term éminence grise paints a picture of a secret, but powerful conspirator. It was, after all, Friar François Leclerc du Tremblay who is said to have held great influence over the cardinal. In other words, the real power behind the throne.

But is this the truth, or just a sensationalization from an angry LDS critic who was denied access to documents he intended to use to attack the very organization he was seeking help from?

So why was Welch even there? Well, you are not entirely correct that he is not a historian. He holds a B.A. in History and an M.A. in Latin and Greek. Those topics tend to be very much focused on history, especially history it self, wouldn't you agree? As founder of FARMS and member of the board of trustees for The Encyclopedia of Mormonism, he is an expert on the Latter-day Saint Movement and it makes perfect sense to have him there -- I'd definitely want him there.

In any case, we will never hear Jack Welch's side of the story, all we have is Bagley's. But what if the tables were turned and the only side of the story we had were an LDS perspective? Oh, that's right, it happens all the time and the members here at MDB always assume it's just more "Mopologetic" lies.

[_sock puppet]

As founder of FARMS and member of the board of trustees for The Encyclopedia of Mormonism, he is an expert on the Latter-day Saint Movement and it makes perfect sense to have him there -- I'd definitely want him there.

Curious Simon that you use the broadened 'movement' here rather than your beloved, specific LDS Church, which is the only part of the 'movement' that had a hand in MMM. Are you trying to cast the MMM stain from just the LDS Church onto all Mormon churches? Please explain.

In any case, we will never hear Jack Welch's side of the story, all we have is Bagley's. But what if the tables were turned and the only side of the story we had were an LDS perspective? Oh, that's right, it happens all the time and the members here at MDB always assume it's just more "Mopologetic" lies.

Why will we never hear Welch's side of the story? and why are you so certain we won't?

[_Simon Belmont]

Curious Simon that you use the broadened 'movement' here rather than your beloved, specific LDS Church, which is the only part of the 'movement' that had a hand in MMM. Are you trying to cast the MMM stain from just the LDS Church onto all Mormon churches? Please explain.

No. I am not. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has taken full responsibility for MMM. I said "Latter-day Saint Movement" because the current Journal published by the organization that Welch founded is formerly titled The Journal of Book of Mormon Studies and Other Restoration Scripture. I took that to mean that it encompassed a wider range of thought than just the Brighamite LDS Church.

Why will we never hear Welch's side of the story? and why are you so certain we won't?

I highly doubt Bro. Welch will come here to tell his side.

[_harmony]

I highly doubt Bro. Welch will come here to tell his side.

The point is not that he won't. The point is that he can, and he hasn't.

[_Simon Belmont]

I highly doubt Bro. Welch will come here to tell his side.

The point is not that he won't. The point is that he can, and he hasn't.

I don't know if he knows about MDB, or if he spends much time on the Internet at all.

[_harmony]

I don't know if he knows about MDB, or if he spends much time on the Internet at all.

Again, not the point. The point... he can present his side in any of a number of forums. He hasn't.

[_Joseph]

simone, is it true you hit this topic because you thought it was about lamanites?

[_sock puppet]

Curious Simon that you use the broadened 'movement' here rather than your beloved, specific LDS Church, which is the only part of the 'movement' that had a hand in MMM. Are you trying to cast the MMM stain from just the LDS Church onto all Mormon churches? Please explain.

No. I am not. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has taken full responsibility for MMM. I said "Latter-day Saint Movement" because the current Journal published by the organization that Welch founded is formerly titled The Journal of Book of Mormon Studies and Other Restoration Scripture. I took that to mean that it encompassed a wider range of thought than just the Brighamite LDS Church.

Simon, I have to admit sometimes you truly perplex me. What "Other Restoration Scripture" do other parts of the "Lattter-day Saint Movement" have that the LDS Church does not? Might it be the "Other Restoration Scripture" would be that compiled as the PoGP and the D&C? It seems odd that you would interpret it to mean Restoration Scripture that segments of the Movement other than the LDS Church have but the LDS Church does not.

[_harmony]

I took that to mean that it encompassed a wider range of thought than just the Brighamite LDS Church.

I'm pretty sure the LDS church doesn't like to be referred to as "Brighamite".

[_Simon Belmont]

I'm pretty sure the LDS church doesn't like to be referred to as "Brighamite".

We don't, but I had to differentiate it somehow for sock puppet.