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[_Hoops]

My particular Christian views? Seriously?

There's nothing particular about this view. Conceding your assertion, that does not mean that behavior is proscribed. There are lots and lots of things that most Christians do that we would rather not do.

I'm beginning to wonder if you (all) have any idea who and what Christians are.

[_Hoops]

The article points out that pornography is the main sex education for young people from strict religious backgrounds as these youngsters are afraid to approach their parents with questions. I think this is true.

It probably is. But that doesn't mean it's a tactic endorsed from the pulpit. In fact, we are encouraged to have honest discussions with our kids about sex.

[_Hoops]

Good. So we agree that marriage is still ok even if some are harmful. Why can't we say the same for premarital sex, now?

Of course not. We do not believe that sex is only a physical act done in isolation.

You certainly implied it with the "marriage is good for society" comment. You made it sound like marriage was an end rather than a means. You talked about "what you will BE" when you're married.

I rarely imply anything. I have no idea what you're saying here.

In other words, you did (in so many words).

For the same reason any commitment is important. What good is your word if people can't rely on your commitment?

That's it? Marriage is good for proving that your word is trustworthy? Anything else?

Well then I feel sorry for you.

For what reason?

Well, you've given me reasons why you don't think so, and I pretty much already knew them. Like I said before, I understand that you really believe it's not arbitrary. Given the assumptions you live your life by, I'm sure they don't seem arbitrary at all. But as we all know, strong belief does not dictate reality.

How true.

[_EAllusion]

Hoops -

Christians are people who hold religious beliefs wherein the figure Jesus Christ and purported writings about him play a central role. The specific content of Christian beliefs can vary significantly and evolves over time in various subgroups.

You seem to want to transform the term into a matter of doctrinal correctness, but I don't think that is helpful and that will embroil you in arguments over whether owning slaves is "Christian." (Hint: And how.) If lots of Christians don't seem to have a religious problem with premarital sex, then it doesn't make sense for you to talk in the voice of what a "Christian" thinks when talking about your subgroup's anti-premarital sex views.

[_Hoops]

Christians are people who hold religious beliefs wherein the figure Jesus Christ and purported writings about him play a central role. The specific content of Christian beliefs can vary

True. But there are certain core beliefs that are non-negotiable that are distinctively Christian, and, thereby definitional

and evolves over time in various subgroups.

I would be interested to know what you have in mind.

You seem to want to transform the term into a matter of doctrinal correctness

No, this particular issue does not rise the level of non-negotiable doctrine. Yet, it is universally understood by most Christians that pre-marital sex should be avoided. I know of no denomination that preaches otherwise. Do you?

but I don't think that is helpful and that will embroil you in arguments over whether owning slaves is "Christian." (Hint: And how

That's an argument I'm willing to engage, since it was Christians (American Christians) who first began the movement.

If lots of Christians don't seem to have a religious problem with premarital sex

You're supposing that since "lots of Christians" do it, then they must not have a problem with it. This where I wonder if you have a good grasp of what it means to be a Christian. I will grant you that "lots of Christians" engage in this, but I will not grant you that it has no significance. Further, I see no grand movement for Christians to jettison this belief. Christian get angry, are narcisstic, petty, petulant, they steal, and cheat on their taxes, and all sorts of other things. Much to our dismay as a people.

[_Hoops]

Christians are people who hold religious beliefs wherein the figure Jesus Christ and purported writings about him play a central role. The specific content of Christian beliefs can vary

True. But there are certain core beliefs that are non-negotiable that are distinctively Christian, and, thereby definitional

and evolves over time in various subgroups.

I would be interested to know what you have in mind.

You seem to want to transform the term into a matter of doctrinal correctness

No, this particular issue does not rise the level of non-negotiable doctrine. Yet, it is universally understood by most Christians that pre-marital sex should be avoided. I know of no denomination that preaches otherwise. Do you?

but I don't think that is helpful and that will embroil you in arguments over whether owning slaves is "Christian." (Hint: And how

That's an argument I'm willing to engage, since it was Christians (American Christians) who first began the movement.

If lots of Christians don't seem to have a religious problem with premarital sex

You're supposing that since "lots of Christians" do it, then they must not have a problem with it. This where I wonder if you have a good grasp of what it means to be a Christian. I will grant you that "lots of Christians" engage in this, but I will not grant you that it has no significance. Further, I see no grand movement for Christians to jettison this belief. Christian get angry, are narcisstic, petty, petulant, they steal, and cheat on their taxes, and all sorts of other things. Much to our dismay as a people.

[_EAllusion]

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying Hoops. It's not just that lots of Christians, nearly all of them in America in fact, engage in pre-marital sex. It's that many of those same Christians don't appear to view it as a violation of their religious beliefs to do so. It's one thing to say, "The Catholic Church teaches..." It's another to say claim to speak for what Christians as a whole think by saying things like, "The Christian believes..." when many Christians don't actually believe that. In your case, this is worse than just the wrongness of premarital sex. You're trying out very specific arguments, pretty bad ones at that, as the Christian justification for opposition to premarital sex. And in doing that, you're insulting Christians who aren't likeminded.

[_just me]

SEX!

[_Hoops]

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying Hoops

Of course.

It's not just that lots of Christians, nearly all of them in America in fact,

An assumption one can not possibly logically make. But, I think, you're saying that nearly all of American's and thereby nearly all Christians.

It's that many of those same Christians don't appear to view it as a violation of their religious beliefs to do so. It's one thing to say, "The Catholic Church teaches..." It's another to say claim to speak for what Christians as a whole think by saying things like, "The Christian believes

Really. You knew what i was saying. Of course I have no way of speaking for every single Chrisian. The only way to engage the discussion would be to take Christianity as a whole.

In your case, this is worse than just the wrongness of premarital sex. You're trying out very specific arguments, pretty bad ones at that

Of course. I'm just a dumb religious stooge.

as the Christian justification for opposition to premarital sex. And in doing that, you're insulting Christians who aren't likeminded.

Ridiculous of course. I've insulted no one nor any group.

[_Hoops]

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by the way, if you were to say that to me in person, I would drop you. Then, as you staggered to your feet in a daze, I would kick your b@lls through the roof of your mouth and pull your d!ick out the top of your head. Then I would pray for a quick recovery of your injuries.

Just so you know.

In Christian Love,

Hoops