Boy, was I wrong

[_wenglund]

And, Wade is wrong about this as well.

Wade, your reading comprehension is way off. Please take the time to read Ms. Jack's OP on page 1 of her thread regarding Will.

Will chose to say what he said. It is there for any and all who wish to read.

It was not anyone's goal here to stifle Will's work. As a matter of fact, most here, critic and faith-supporter alike, have acknowledged that they would like to see Will's work published.

But if Will wants to be an apologist and represent The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, then he has a responsibility to conduct himself in a manner that is appropriate for that role. And, after reading the material written by Will's own hand, apparently the folks at MI did not feel that Will lived up to that responsibility. Frankly, their action was much more harsh than I expected it to be. My hope was that they would simply take Will aside and ask that he make a public apology, and commit to conduct himself in a more professional manner from this point forward. I think that is what everyone here expected to take place. Do I agree with MI's decision to pull the plug on Will's publication? NO....as a matter of fact, I don't.

I do, however, RESPECT that decision. And so should you.

I am not here to argue about this. You are free to see things however you wish, and so am I. To each their own. I am just here to admit that I was wrong about a couple of things. That's all.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Kevin Graham]

If he was using a screen name no one would know who he is. So, his mistake was to be honest in representing himself. And that is a tragedy since many attackers of Will do not use their real name but hide behind a screen name.

So we can safely count whyme among the LDS apologists who defend Will's disgusting behavior. Calling women whore, bitches, and accusing us of all engaging in group anal sex, this is not at all Will's problem. His problem, according to whyme, is that he used his real name. Also, contrary to why me, virtually all of WIll's critics, including MsJack and me, use their real names, while virtually all of his defenders do not (Nomad, Pahoran and of course whyme).

Your first paragraph is bullcrap. She knew quite well what she was doing.

What is your evidence for this? MsJack never contacted NAMI. Not once. It was a small group of concerned LDS apologists who did this. All you have is your baseless need to believe, and right now you need to blame us instead of your own. The ability the apologetic mind has to completely turn fault on those who have been offended, while completely exonerating teh apologist from the sickest of sins, is nothing short of amazing.

There is someone somewhere who is playing the role of a fink or a rat. And that is certainly not noble.

Sure it is, especially if that person is an LDS member who sees Will Schryver as an outrageous embarrassment to his faith. And to be sure, this is the case.

And what does that say about a person who hides behind a screen name using rats or finks as sources?

You're an absolute joke why me. Like Pahoran's attempt to name-call his fellow scholars as useful idiots, all you have left is name-calling. Nobody on this forum "used" anyone. MsJack documented her concerns as an offended female who is married to a faithful LDS member, and who believes the Church teaches far better standards than those exemplified by Mr. Schryver. Brian Hauglid is not using a pseudonym, and he was contacted by a group of concerned LDS apologists.

On this forum, being Christ like is putting oneself up for abuse and never responding to it.

So your response to Will's claim that we're all engaged in an anal sex orgy, is to complain because those who were offended refused to be Christlike and keep their mouths shut? Just how much abuse do you expect the women to take?

People on this forum certainly know how to throw crap on people. But when it is thrown back at them, they bitch and yell foul. What crap.

Again, I don't recall anyone from the ex-Mormon side calling all LDS women whores, or telling a group of LDS members that they are engaged in circlejerks and orgiastic sodomy. You're equating without justification. Will is abnormally despicable, and for you to sit there and pretend he isn't tells us more about your character than I'd care to know. And that is probably the best thing that has come from all of this. We get to see just what kind of people you really are. Wade, Pahoran, Droopy, and now you. You totally support the guy who does these things, acting as blind loyalists to yoru tribe, while attacking the women who took offense, just because they're no longer members of your tribe. "Traitors" as Pahoran called them.

[_why me]

There is also a cesspool of people at this forum who exhibit a penchant for ignorance and blind, unbending loyalty over enlightenment. That they have circled the wagons around their misogynist hero is par for the course with them.

This is not the point. Will's mistake was for using his name on the internet. He was brave to do so but it does entail risks that I am sure that he did not know. When there are people hiding behind screen names condemning people for what they say under their real name, they seem to be a little cowardly.

This is definitely becoming a snitch ship. Al was right in his speech.

[_wenglund]

Wade, why isn't your quarrel with the Neal A. Maxwell Institute?

Because what they decided for themselves is none of my business.

They're the only ones with any decision making power in this whole ordeal.

Right, though their decision is evidently not entirely devoid of outside influence.

Seems silly to hold anyone on this board (except for Will, of course) responsible for the powers that be at NAMI being troubled by Will's posts here.

It seems silly to me to not consider outside influence. But, to each their own.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Kevin Graham]

OMFG.

Will is "brave" now? Just to be clear, why me totally supports Will's effort to attack women as whores and to accuse apostates of engaging in orgiastic sodomy. He says this wasn't a mistake at all. No wonder this despicable person uses a pseudonym.

Pahoran, Droopy, Nomad and now whyme will forever have to wear this badge of shame. All they can think to do is coddle this pathetic loser, all the while attacking the women who dared to raise a voice against him. He's not worried about whether Will is acting Christlike. No, according to whyme, he is more concerned with whether the apostates are being Christlike by keeping their complaints to themselves.

Idiot.

[_wenglund]

Regardless of whether people at NAMI were influenced by what they read here, do you think that they were wrong to give Will's article "the boot"?

It is none of my business, so I haven't formulated an opinion one way or the other.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

You really think anyone here was responsible? You really believe those folks over there pay attention to what goes on here?

I got the sense that some from over here took it "over there," and did so in a way that had the desired impact.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_malkie]

Regardless of whether people at NAMI were influenced by what they read here, do you think that they were wrong to give Will's article "the boot"?

It is none of my business, so I haven't formulated an opinion one way or the other.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Really? You can remain completely neutral on it because it is not your business?

I applaud your ability to so compartmentalize your thinking.

Other people, less charitable than I, might think that you simply prefer not to say that they were wrong (or, if you prefer, to say that they were right) regardless of what you think.

[_Ceeboo]

Wade: I am so sorry to see that you authored this thread and I am equally sorry to see that you continue to post in it.


Kevin: You have a unique gift on these boards (Again, your above post (top of this page) is entirely accurate and brilliantly delivered).


Why me: You have yet to score a single point.


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Kevin Graham]

I told Will in the original "C-Word" thread from last year that a small group of LDS apologists had brought their concerns about his behavior at the NAMI. He laughed at me of course, but obviously I was right. MsJack's carefully compiled case against Schryver was the straw that broke the camel's back probably, but it wasn't because MsJack sent NAMI a copy. They were probably monitoring his posting history for months.

There is no mystery here. The folks responsible for bringing it to their attention are those who believe the Book of Abraham is inspired scripture. All of these people post or have posted at MAD, and have never posted over here. I'm not naming names, because I don't need to.