For Whyme: Why are you a Catholic?

[_Hoops]

Hey Hoops,

An incredibly compelling answer, one for which I have no good response to my Catholic friends when they make it to me.

Thanks, Brother/Sister (?) (I found this answer, and then stole it, from the center of a fortune cookie many moons ago)

by the way: If I may ask, you are Evangelical, yes?


Peace,
Ceeboo

Hmmmm.... hard to say. But I suppose if one were forced to pigeon-hole me, I would be. However, I've darkened the halls of many churches. And, I might add, I would be a Catholic today were it not for one Real disagreement. :)

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

I suppose I'd like a Believer to explain to me how the Truth claims of an organization isn't impacted by its Directors, and fellow Believers.

It seems to me that those people should be Object Lessons for skepticism.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Ceeboo]

Hello again Hoops,

Hmmmm.... hard to say. But I suppose if one were forced to pigeon-hole me, I would be. However, I've darkened the halls of many churches.

Cool! Thanks for the reply :)

And, I might add, I would be a Catholic today were it not for one Real disagreement. :)

Just one? (Geez, I am Catholic and I have at least a few)

Anyhoo, thanks for taking the time to share with your Catholic Brother in Christ. :) :) :)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_madeleine]

Hello,

I suppose I'd like a Believer to explain to me how the Truth claims of an organization isn't impacted by its Directors, and fellow Believers.

It seems to me that those people should be Object Lessons for skepticism.

V/R
Dr. Cam

....because Christianity is based on the premise all of humanity is in need of Salvation. Our need for Salvation is made fairly obvious on a daily basis, including by "Directors, and fellow Believers", and people who don't believe at all...everyone, including ourselves.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

....because Christianity is based on the premise all of humanity is in need of Salvation. Our need for Salvation is made fairly obvious on a daily basis, including by "Directors, and fellow Believers", and people who don't believe at all...everyone, including ourselves.

Hello Ms. M,

So, essentially there's nothing any Christian leader could do that would cause you to reconsider the truth claims of Christianity?

V/R
Dr. Cameron

[_Ceeboo]

Morning Doc,

So, essentially there's nothing any Christian leader could do that would cause you to reconsider the truth claims of Christianity?

V/R
Dr. Cameron

Your last couple of posts seem to be heavily seasoned with Mormon spices (Another example of- You can take the person out of Mormonism, but you can't take the Mormonism out of the person, in my opinion).

The truth claims of Christianity (A very wide brush we are using here, by the way) are rooted and based on the teachings, life, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Why do you suggest/imply that something a "Christian leader" could do (or has done) would have any effect on the truth claims of those who believe in and follow Christ?

by the way: I am curious, what is your definition of a "Christian leader"? (Polycarp, Ignatious, Joel Olsteen, Joseph Smith, Swaggert, Pope John Paul, Martin Luther, Wayne Bent, David Koresh, Mother Teresa, Huckabee, etc, etc?)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_lostindc]

Morning Doc,

Your last couple of posts seem to be heavily seasoned with Mormon spices (Another example of- You can take the person out of Mormonism, but you can't take the Mormonism out of the person, in my opinion).

The truth claims of Christianity (A very wide brush we are using here, by the way) are rooted and based on the teachings, life, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Why do you suggest/imply that something a "Christian leader" could do (or has done) would have any effect on the truth claims of those who believe in and follow Christ?

by the way: I am curious, what is your definition of a "Christian leader"? (Polycarp, Ignatious, Joel Olsteen, Joseph Smith, Swaggert, Pope John Paul, Martin Luther, Wayne Bent, David Koresh, Mother Teresa, Huckabee, etc, etc?)

Peace,
Ceeboo

I am afraid his posts have little to do with Mormonism and more to do with skepticism. I can see why you would think it is a Mormon phenomenon being that often times when a Christian applies skepticism towards Mormonism the Mormon tends to ask the Christian to apply the same level of skepticism to Christianity.

[Guest]

Hey lostindc,

I am afraid his posts have little to do with Mormonism and more to do with skepticism.

Don't ever be afraid to offer me your opinion/perspective (I appreciate, value, and respect it)
In this case, however, I stand firm on my opinion that Mormonism has a lot to do with future skepticism.

I can see why you would think it is a Mormon phenomenon being that often times when a Christian applies skepticism towards Mormonism the Mormon tends to ask the Christian to apply the same level of skepticism to Christianity.

They (Mormonism and Christianity) posses a wildly different set of "truth claims" and thus are very, very hard to measure under the same umbrella (They must be looked at, measured, evaluated, and considered apart from each other, in my opinion).

Skepticism is certainly fair game for both, but they are very different.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Mr. Ceeboo,

Well, I do consider myself an "ethnic Mormon". I think you're right, a lot of my mindset and even behavior probably is "Mormon" more or less.

To answer your question: Yes- All of the Above.

The Christian religion/ideology makes truth claims that, IMHO, ought to be manifested through those who proclaim to feel it, preach it, and live it. For example, if I said that Mormonism is True, and you can see it because my life is a wonderful testament to it bearing good fruit, but it comes out later than I'm a thief/murderer/abuser/liar/whatever... Shouldn't we consider its truth claims to be false?

In other words, in order for something to be true it ought to work for everyone. Why not? It's true. Otherwise, Christianity has no monopoly on truth claims since it's irrelevant whether or not it has any impact on Humanity.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Ceeboo]

Hello Mr. Ceeboo,

Well, I do consider myself an "ethnic Mormon". I think you're right, a lot of my mindset and even behavior probably is "Mormon" more or less.

To answer your question: Yes- All of the Above.

The Christian religion/ideology makes truth claims that, IMHO, ought to be manifested through those who proclaim to feel it, preach it, and live it. For example, if I said that Mormonism is True, and you can see it because my life is a wonderful testament to it bearing good fruit, but it comes out later than I'm a thief/murderer/abuser/liar/whatever... Shouldn't we consider its truth claims to be false?

In other words, in order for something to be true it ought to work for everyone. Why not? It's true. Otherwise, Christianity has no monopoly on truth claims since it's irrelevant whether or not it has any impact on Humanity.

V/R
Dr. Cam

Hey again Doc,

A very short "thank you" for now (Ceeboo has to get his butt in the shower and head to a couple of work appointments. I will try to respond in more detail later today).

Thanks for the kind/warm response (Much appreciated by this Christian)

for what it's worth, I think you bring up some VERY WORTHY points for discussion/sharing between the community here.

Hope to post more later.

Peace,
Ceeboo