Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Chap]

Farewell, to one and all.

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Fin.

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Nothing is impossible here, absolutely nothing.

Including someone posting as Droopy only three hours after we know that the real Droopy already left the building?

Must be another of those evil fake posts like the ones that poor Schryver suffers from so often?

[_beastie]

This isn't unusual at all here, Simon. In the past, someone posted here as Selek and attacked me on several occasions personally. I asked Selek at the MADboard why he had done so and it turns out it wasn't him at all.

Indeed, years ago someone posted here as me (I forget if they used Droopy or the old Coggins handle) for a short period. Then there have been all the David Bednar and Boyd Packer posts.

Scratch has, on a few occasions, created quotations from me that did not in fact exist and then used them in block quotes as if I had made the statements within.

Nothing is impossible here, absolutely nothing.

Between Droopy and "Nomad", we're getting a picture into how some people maintain faith in the LDS church.

Will admitted making the statement in question, after he initially denied making the statement in question. In response to his admission, Droopy and Nomad are willing to believe that the moderators altered Will's post in order to create a fake confession, and then Will didn't make any objection to the mods having done so.

Wow. I mean, wow.

So what we have here is two believers preferring to believe the most fanciful, unsupported nonsense rather than be forced to relinquish their cherished belief in Will's innocence.

That is apologia in a nutshell.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

That is apologia in a nutshell.

Hello,

QFT.

V/R
Dr. Cameron

[Guest]

The fact is there have been quite a few LDS apologists who have expressed concern with Will's behavior.

Then let's have the names and the specific criticisms, right here, and right now.

It seems, for some reason, quite odd to me that someone like David Bokovoy (who has strong philosophical differences with Will on an issue wholly disconnected from Book of Abraham origin theory to the point, as witnessed long ago on the "United Firm" thread, of taking criticism of his views in a very personal way) who is a staunch defender and supporter of the Church, would contact a foam flecked, red faced critic of the Church like Kevin Graham, who is, without doubt, one of the most viscous, rabid, obnoxious, intemperate, and poorly educated critics of the Church since Loftes Tryk.

Why would David Bokovoy seek out an emotionally and psychologically unstable individual such as Kevin Graham, and not talk to John Gee, or Royal Skousen, or someone of that caliber?

It just doesn't seem...well, to all hang together very well.

[_Chap]

It just doesn't seem...well, to all hang together very well.

Maybe that is because there are elements in pseudo-Droopy's assumptions about the world that require critical examination?

[This can't be the real Droopy of course, 'counta that one already went and quit.]

[_Blixa]

It just doesn't seem...well, to all hang together very well.

Maybe that is because there are elements in pseudo-Droopy's assumptions about the world that require critical examination?

[This can't be the real Droopy of course, 'counta that one already went and quit.]

Also he calls Nomad "Simon." The real Droopy would never do that.

[Guest]

This isn't unusual at all here, Simon. In the past, someone posted here as Selek and attacked me on several occasions personally. I asked Selek at the MADboard why he had done so and it turns out it wasn't him at all.

Indeed, years ago someone posted here as me (I forget if they used Droopy or the old Coggins handle) for a short period. Then there have been all the David Bednar and Boyd Packer posts.

Scratch has, on a few occasions, created quotations from me that did not in fact exist and then used them in block quotes as if I had made the statements within.

Nothing is impossible here, absolutely nothing.

Between Droopy and "Nomad", we're getting a picture into how some people maintain faith in the LDS church.

Will admitted making the statement in question, after he initially denied making the statement in question. In response to his admission, Droopy and Nomad are willing to believe that the moderators altered Will's post in order to create a fake confession, and then Will didn't make any objection to the mods having done so.

I'm not making any assertions regarding that at all. I am saying, however, that other posters here have engaged in, what I would term "commando posting," in which deception and diversion is used to set posters against each other, and create text in other poster's names that does not exist.

That kind of thing, however, is longstanding, classic behavior among anti-Mormons, both from the secular world and from within evangelical Protestantism. Just the "bitter fruits of apostasy" perhaps.

Wow. I mean, wow.

You'll get over it.

So what we have here is two believers preferring to believe the most fanciful, unsupported nonsense rather than be forced to relinquish their cherished belief in Will's innocence.

I followed Jack's links. I looked at Will's defense of himself. My response overall has been that while I think Will said things, on rare occasions, that were inappropriate and intemperate (as I have done, but not on the same subjects as Will), the charges of "misogyny" and of gross moral failings are both deeply hypocritical, given who pounced upon them here with the most gusto, transparently tendentious, and wildly exaggerated.

And that is anti-Mormonism, and its supporting ligaments, in a nutshell.

[_Kishkumen]

So what we have here is two believers preferring to believe the most fanciful, unsupported nonsense rather than be forced to relinquish their cherished belief in Will's innocence.

Frankly, it is surreal. But then, the whole damn thing is surreal. I really don't know what to make of it. As for the reaction of people like Droopy and Wade, all I can say is that it is a testament to how much hatred we have provoked in some people. I can't believe that they love Will so much as detest us to the point that they can only conclude that we are really responsible for Will's current predicament. As much as I like and respect Jack, I simply can't give this board that much credit. In my opinion it is Will who must have done himself in. After all, he has direct access to the people at NAMI. If he was unable to make his case to them, that says something about his case, not about us. We are, for the most part, unimportant, anonymous ciphers on the internet just shooting the bull.

[_Droopy]

Also he calls Nomad "Simon." The real Droopy would never do that.

There, I fixed it. Happy?

[_Blixa]

Also he calls Nomad "Simon." The real Droopy would never do that.

There, I fixed it. Happy?

Actually, very. : )