When did the church jump on the family values bandwagon?

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When did the church jump on the family values bandwagon?

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I ask because healthy, normal, loving family relationships were not always considered a virtue in the church.

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Elders, never love your wives one hair's breadth further than they adorn the Gospel, never love them so but that you can leave them at a moment's warning without shedding a tear. Should you love a child any more than this? No. Here are Apostles and Prophets who are destined to be exalted with the Gods, to become rulers in the kingdom of our Father, to become equal with the Father and the Son, and will you let your affections be unduly placed on anything this side that kingdom and glory? If you do, you disgrace your calling and Priesthood. The very moment that persons in this Church suffer their affections to be immoderately placed upon an object this side the celestial kingdom, they disgrace their profession and calling. When you love your wives and children, are fond of your horses, your carriages, your fine houses, your goods and chattels, or anything of an earthly nature, before your affections become too strong, wait until you and your family are sealed up unto eternal lives, and you know they are yours from that time henceforth and for ever.

I will now ask the sisters, do you believe that you are worthy of any greater love than you bestow upon your children? Do you believe that you should be beloved by your husbands and parents any further than you acknowledge and practise the principle of eternal lives? Every person who understands this principle would answer in a moment, "Let no being's affections be placed upon me any further than mine are on eternal principles-principles that are calculated to endure and exalt me, and bring me up to be an heir of God and a joint heir with Jesus Christ." This is what every person who has a correct understanding would say.

Owing to the weaknesses of human nature you often see a mother mourn upon the death of her child, the tears of bitterness are found upon her cheeks, her pillow is wet with the dews of sorrow, anguish, and mourning for her child, and she exclaims, "O that my infant were restored to me," and weeps day and night. To me such conduct is unwise, for until that child returned to its Father, was it worthy of your fullest love? No, for it was imperfect, but now it is secure in the bosom of the Father, to dwell there to all eternity; now it is in a condition where it is worthy of your perfect love, and your anxiety and effort should be that you may enter at the same gate to immortality.

When the wife secures to herself a glorious resurrection, she is worthy of the full measure of the love of the faithful husband, but never before. And when a man has passed through the vail, and secured to himself an eternal exaltation, he is then worthy of the love of his wife and children, and not until then, unless he has received the promise of and is sealed up unto eternal lives. Then he may be an object fully worthy of their affections and love on the earth, and not before.

Journal of Discourses Vol.3:360
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Re: When did the church jump on the family values bandwagon?

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Journal of Discourses Vol.3:360


Nondoctrinal (since you're speaking about the Church).
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bcspace wrote:
Journal of Discourses Vol.3:360


Nondoctrinal (since you're speaking about the Church).


It was doctrinal in its day. The church was anti-family values at that point.

Please, try not to derail the thread with your doctrinal/nondoctrinal legalism.
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It was doctrinal in its day.


No it wasn't. I think you know that already though.
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If it was not doctrinal, why was it printed in a 'quasi-official' church publication and never repudiated, never changed or clarified? It as l-dsinc leaders that made the statements. None of them are to be believed if you are right. So where does the holy ghost inspiration go for these guys? Or isn't it there at all and that explains why so many of them can't and could not figure out what 'doctrine' was or is?
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bcspace wrote:
Journal of Discourses Vol.3:360


Nondoctrinal (since you're speaking about the Church).


Words of the Prophet. Meant as philosophical direction to all the members.
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bcspace wrote:
It was doctrinal in its day.


No it wasn't. I think you know that already though.


Per your own standards of what is doctrine (published by the church, not repudiated) it was doctrine.

Enough with your moronic derailing. Try answering the question. God's prophet taught the membership to avoid loving their families deeply. When did this change into the modern family-friendly message taught today?
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I recall having a conversation with a former believer who told me that the LDS church began the whole, love your family-family night-family values approach, in the fifties, If I recall correctly, AFTER some other mainstream Christian church/churches promoted this.

In other words, it was a movement that was adopted by the LDS church, or perhaps the LDS church jumped on the bandwagon?

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truth dancer wrote:I recall having a conversation with a former believer who told me that the LDS church began the whole, love your family-family night-family values approach, in the fifties, If I recall correctly, AFTER some other mainstream Christian church/churches promoted this.

In other words, it was a movement that was adopted by the LDS church, or perhaps the LDS church jumped on the bandwagon?

~td~


As usual, we seem to steal our best ideas from the protestants.
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Reading the below passage, I think I might puke. Better keep this one away from the wife, because I do not want to see her flip her lid today. What sick disgusting advice.

Buffalo wrote:I ask because healthy, normal, loving family relationships were not always considered a virtue in the church.

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Elders, never love your wives one hair's breadth further than they adorn the Gospel, never love them so but that you can leave them at a moment's warning without shedding a tear. Should you love a child any more than this? No. Here are Apostles and Prophets who are destined to be exalted with the Gods, to become rulers in the kingdom of our Father, to become equal with the Father and the Son, and will you let your affections be unduly placed on anything this side that kingdom and glory? If you do, you disgrace your calling and Priesthood. The very moment that persons in this Church suffer their affections to be immoderately placed upon an object this side the celestial kingdom, they disgrace their profession and calling. When you love your wives and children, are fond of your horses, your carriages, your fine houses, your goods and chattels, or anything of an earthly nature, before your affections become too strong, wait until you and your family are sealed up unto eternal lives, and you know they are yours from that time henceforth and for ever.

I will now ask the sisters, do you believe that you are worthy of any greater love than you bestow upon your children? Do you believe that you should be beloved by your husbands and parents any further than you acknowledge and practise the principle of eternal lives? Every person who understands this principle would answer in a moment, "Let no being's affections be placed upon me any further than mine are on eternal principles-principles that are calculated to endure and exalt me, and bring me up to be an heir of God and a joint heir with Jesus Christ." This is what every person who has a correct understanding would say.

Owing to the weaknesses of human nature you often see a mother mourn upon the death of her child, the tears of bitterness are found upon her cheeks, her pillow is wet with the dews of sorrow, anguish, and mourning for her child, and she exclaims, "O that my infant were restored to me," and weeps day and night. To me such conduct is unwise, for until that child returned to its Father, was it worthy of your fullest love? No, for it was imperfect, but now it is secure in the bosom of the Father, to dwell there to all eternity; now it is in a condition where it is worthy of your perfect love, and your anxiety and effort should be that you may enter at the same gate to immortality.

When the wife secures to herself a glorious resurrection, she is worthy of the full measure of the love of the faithful husband, but never before. And when a man has passed through the vail, and secured to himself an eternal exaltation, he is then worthy of the love of his wife and children, and not until then, unless he has received the promise of and is sealed up unto eternal lives. Then he may be an object fully worthy of their affections and love on the earth, and not before.

Journal of Discourses Vol.3:360
Brigham Young


I think no more of taking a wife than I do of buying a cow. (Apostle Heber Kimball, the man who gave his 14-year-old daughter to Joseph Smith in marriage, Wife No. 19, p. 292)
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