Buffalo wrote:Ask any LDS missionary how obvious the JW fraud is. They'll be happy to tell you. And yet, it's a pretty popular religion.
no doubt its easy to conclude fraud for any religion. Very easy. So what? To some an obvious fraud, is nothing but a wonderful way of life to others.
Yeah, some people like Kyra Sedgewick and Kevin Bacon are working actors again, in the wake of the Bernie Madoff ponzi fraud. Maybe being working actors again is a wonderful way of life. I wonder if Sedgewick and Bacon visit Madoff often to thank him?
Buffalo wrote:If there are mistakes in his assessment of the money digging issue (or any other) feel free to correct him.
I didn't think it was a serious attempt at summarizing the issue at all. Was it? With that, what's the point of quibbling about it, if a seemingly un-serious attempt was made by someone who claims it was all serious? I've a number of times how such attempts at discussion go. That's why I commented on how SP's posts aren't even responsive. But oh well. If you guys think SP's rendition was thoughtful, and "correct" then so be it. Can't really fight against the absurd.
It seems that most of you believers can't be bothered to correct what you feel are misrepresentations about the church - on this board, at least. But I think you should, if you feel you've got a compelling counterargument. That's what makes for a good discussion.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
sock puppet wrote:Yeah, some people like Kyra Sedgewick and Kevin Bacon are working actors again, in the wake of the Bernie Madoff ponzi fraud. Maybe being working actors again is a wonderful way of life. I wonder if Sedgewick and Bacon visit Madoff often to thank him?
I"m not much into pop culture, so needless to say i don't get your comments. They don't' make any sense to me. Care to clarify?
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:Ask any LDS missionary how obvious the JW fraud is. They'll be happy to tell you. And yet, it's a pretty popular religion.
no doubt its easy to conclude fraud for any religion. Very easy. So what? To some an obvious fraud, is nothing but a wonderful way of life to others.
It takes two factors to make religious fraud obvious:
1. Lack of emotional attachment to the religion 2. Access to the complete story of the religion, not just the PR version
Even a fraud can provide a "wonderful way of life" to some people. Some people thrive in Mormonism. Others wither in it and would do better in another religion. Or none at all.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
sock puppet wrote:when you consider all the facts and circumstances as a whole, Mormon apologetics is a colossal failure.
If it is so plainly obvious what a fraud Mormonism is, why is it so popular?
If the Emperor isn't wearing clothes why do so many people see them?
Your question exemplfies its own answer.
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
sock puppet wrote:when you consider all the facts and circumstances as a whole, Mormon apologetics is a colossal failure.
If it is so plainly obvious what a fraud Mormonism is, why is it so popular?
People are stupid and fearful. Many religious people can't abandon their faith because they are too weak to deal with what it being false would mean. You also have to factor in the brainwashing that people go through when they are children.
I'm sorry, but all questions muse be submitted in writing.
From the article: Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.
Actually, that sounds kind of dumb to me.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Buffalo wrote:It seems that most of you believers can't be bothered to correct what you feel are misrepresentations about the church - on this board, at least. But I think you should, if you feel you've got a compelling counterargument. That's what makes for a good discussion.
Lets see it seems you are proposing as a way to make a good discussion is to sensationalize each and every issue, stating as fact any disputed territory, and let the defenders come back with the corrections or disagreements? That's silly if you ask me. If we are truly going for civil, thoughtful discussion a different tact would be taken. Issues would be raised, as issues, and sensational and deceptive language would be left aside. But that's not how many things operate here at all. Its poking and prodding by SP and others. If LDS disagree and respond then mocking ensues. Sorry...I'm not feeling it today.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
