Mike Reed wrote:Guess it is best to put you on my ignore list again. Done.
There is an ignore feature? :o) You mean I don't have to go in circles? Weeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Life is looking up.
:highfive: George... a very typical Mormon tactic as you evade the subject. I don't agree with you, which doesn't make your argument valid because an Ex-Mo who makes arguments that Joseph Smith was delusional and is pretending to be an "on the fence Mo" plays the same game and needs the same support. I suggest you visit MDDB to get more support for your tag team. You failed to answer the question I asked. What do you make of Joseph Smith's translation of the Kinderhook plates?
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2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
thews wrote:Occult magic (folk magic as Mike calls it) isn't Christian. Can you at least acknowledge this? If you did, then you could see my point. Since you believe in magic (seer stones placed in a hat), I understand why you don't.
I know I should not bite but what the hell. So a rock in a hat is more magical than multiplying bread? Is a rock in a hat more magical than walking on water? Is a rock in a hat more magical than coming back to life? These all sound like a great David Blaine show.
What makes Thews faith any less dramatic or magical than say the early Mormon faith?
Without the typical parallel arguments one must accept to toss Christianity under the bus to negate what doesn't make sense in Mormonism, occult seer stones, the Jupiter talisman and all the "folk magic" Joseph Smith believed in is part of Mormonism. If your arguments center on supposed parallels regarding why neither make sense, I guess you've made your point. There is nothing "Christian" about seer stones, the Jupiter talisman, treasure guardians, etc. That is the point, and not what supposedly cancels them out. Regarding the OP, a translation of bogus plates only solidifies Joseph Smith as a fraud. We'll just have to wait to see what Don has to say about them... maybe we get some data this time?
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
Mike Reed wrote:Guess it is best to put you on my ignore list again. Done.
There is an ignore feature? :o) You mean I don't have to go in circles? Weeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Life is looking up.
LOL! Yes, there is! Look above and click "user CP," then on the left click "friends & foes," then click "manage foes," then type "Thews," and finally click "Submit." It is that easy. :)
lostindc wrote:What makes Thews faith any less dramatic or magical than say the early Mormon faith?
Thanks for trying, Lostindc. ;) Thews is confused (as always) about what I said long ago about certain magic/masonic artifacts. I mentioned that they were understood by Joseph Smith in a Christian context. Joseph Smith's cane, for example, was seen as the Rod of Aaron; The Smith family parchments had written on them Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah, Saint Peter Bind Them, and Holiness to the Lord; Joseph's seer stones were associated with the Urim and Thummim. But despite my explanation, Thews insists that I was saying that they actually were Christian. A few participants on this forum wasted their time trying to explain the obvious distinction to him, but he never got it. I doubt he ever will.
lostindc wrote:What makes Thews faith any less dramatic or magical than say the early Mormon faith?
Thanks for trying, Lostindc. ;) Thews is confused (as always) about what I said long ago about certain magic/masonic artifacts. I mentioned that they were understood by Joseph Smith in a Christian context. Joseph Smith's cane, for example, was seen as the Rod of Aaron; The Smith family parchments had written on them Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah, Saint Peter Bind Them, and Holiness to the Lord; Joseph's seer stones were associated with the Urim and Thummim. But despite my explanation, Thews insists that I was saying that they actually were Christian. A few participants on this forum wasted their time trying to explain the obvious distinction to him, but he never got it. I doubt he ever will.
I get one thing Mike, and that would be you're a transparent poser. What are you going to title your book? How about, Why I don't believe in Mormonism but maybe you should? The fact that you believe apologists will find value in it exemplifies your pathetic charade. One more time... Christians don't believe in seer stones or occult magic. Slice it and dice it six ways till Tuesday, but the fact that George the magical thinker agrees with your lame argument says a lot about it. Why not just get re-baptized Mike? Is it because you know Joseph Smith was a fraud and are afraid to state it plainly... you know, without all the rhetoric. For the third time (back on topic), what's your take on the translation of the Kinderhook plates? Time to tuck tail again?
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
why me wrote: Here is the point: I have always knew that the accounts of Joseph Smith saying this or that come from second hand sources. I have no idea how to verify their accuracy. I just must look at them as such and go with it. And so should you. Now did Joseph Smith check these notes and make corrections? Maybe not. I don't know.
Why me, are you saying that: a. We should just accept ALL of what the scribes wrote at face value or b. We should just accept NONE of what the scribes wrote at face value or c. We should just accept SOME of what the scribes wrote at face value based on our own opinion
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Any answer to this 'why me'?
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
thews wrote:One more time... Christians don't believe in seer stones or occult magic. Slice it and dice it six ways till Tuesday, but the fact that George the magical thinker agrees with your lame argument says a lot about it.
Thews your characterization of me as "George the magical thinker" is simply inflammatory and patently incorrect. I would ask you to show me a little Christian courtesy and not to bear false witness.
thews wrote:One more time... Christians don't believe in seer stones or occult magic. Slice it and dice it six ways till Tuesday, but the fact that George the magical thinker agrees with your lame argument says a lot about it.
Thews your characterization of me as "George the magical thinker" is simply inflammatory and patently incorrect. I would ask you to show me a little Christian courtesy and not to bear false witness.
Well George, when a tag team piles on like you do I'd hardly call it un-Christian to point out your stance. As you continue to evade the OP, I will give you this... your insight on seer stones placed in a hat to sort of hypnotize the person looking into it gave me some insight. If you believe those same seer stones were of God, it's why I used magical-thinker; hardly a false witness. Speaking of false witnesses, you do believe in seer stones used to see treasure guardians being of God... isn't that true? What is your honest answer, or will you again evade the question?
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
thews wrote:Well George, when a tag team piles on like you do I'd hardly call it un-Christian to point out your stance. As you continue to evade the OP, I will give you this... your insight on seer stones placed in a hat to sort of hypnotize the person looking into it gave me some insight. If you believe those same seer stones were of God, it's why I used magical-thinker; hardly a false witness. Speaking of false witnesses, you do believe in seer stones used to see treasure guardians being of God... isn't that true? What is your honest answer, or will you again evade the question?
Round and Round and Round. No thanks Thews. Your above message shows that you still continue to willfully misrepresent my views. Given your continued penchant for doing so over the long haul I choose not to continue. I have never evaded your questions, and on previous threads I have forthrightly answered you queries. That you are now coming forth and blatantly misrepresenting my previous statements and accusing me of evading your questions shows your willingness to resort to unChristian conduct. The circling stops here.