How members are expected to behave in cyberspace interaction

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_Jason Bourne
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How members are expected to behave in cyberspace interaction

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I have in the past few days posted this on two different threads. This issue has come to my attention recently due to some training I had. I am a member of a local bi stake public affaird committee. I like this because we are not supposed to use this as a missionary tool. Rather it is our mission is to reach out to our community, be part of it, build good will, get to know opinion makers and leaders and so on.

Recently through our efforts we got the two stakes to work with a local Protestant church in sponsoring a home through Habitat for Humanity. We raised most the money and provided 90% of the labor. It was a fantastic experience for our members who want to do it again. We raised almost $48,000 in a few months time, put the house up and provided labor. We were offered the chance to "name" the house. Habitat allows the sponsoring organization the chance to do this. We came up with a bunch of names that were more LDS related then settled on calling it the Samaritan House.

We also have a rep from our committee sit on a the area council of churches. We have co sponsored interesting seminars on many exciting religious and social issues and we have done things specifically focused on the Jewish community topics. We recently had a holocaust survivor do a seminar that was held at one of our chapels.

Anyway at a recent training from the area wide full time employee of the Church in public affairs it was emphasized that the Church wants members out and about and on the internet blogging and interacting and so on. But they want them the be Christ like in their interactions. I specifically asked if the Church was aware that some defenders who may tread in areas that can be robustly opposed to the Church may not be acting in such a manner, and some of those may even be somewhat prominent. The Church employee said yes, that they were concerned about it. No more than that.

With that in mind please review the comments by Elder Ballard below. Defenders who come here, do you think you are acting withing the council given by Elder Ballard below? Do you treat the people here that you disagree with like Children of God for whom the atonement of Christ can still apply? Do you attempt to give a soft answer?

I understand that feelings can run high when debating things dear to our hearts. I know critics can be viscous and distort things. I know many here who are out of the Church or maybe never were in can be debase and mean spirited.

Does that justify like treatment? Are you really doing the Church good when you post some of the things you do or in the way you do so?

I know nobody is perfect and we all slip. But there are defenders that come here looking for a fight and are as mean spirited and nasty as they think some of the worst of the critics are here.

Well just some thoughts.



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Things to Avoid

Every disciple of Christ will be most effective and do the most good by adopting a demeanor worthy of a follower of the Savior. Discussions focused on questioning, debating, and doubting gospel principles do little to build the kingdom of God. The Apostle Paul has admonished us to not be “ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation” (Romans 1:16). Let us all stand firmly and speak with faith in sharing our message with the world. Many of you are returned missionaries and can carry on a meaningful conversation in the language you learned on your mission. Your outreach can be international.

As you participate in this conversation and utilize the tools of new media, remember who you are—Latter-day Saints. Remember, as the proverb states, that “a soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger” (Proverbs 15:1). And remember that contention is of the devil (see 3 Nephi 11:29). There is no need to argue or contend with others regarding our beliefs. There is no need to become defensive or belligerent. Our position is solid; the Church is true. We simply need to have a conversation, as friends in the same room would have, always guided by the prompting of the Spirit and constantly remembering the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ, which reminds us of how precious are the children of our Father in Heaven.

May the Lord bless each of you that you will have a powerful influence on those you come in contact with. As I said in the beginning, the power of words is incredible. Let your voice be heard in this great cause of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Regarding Ballard;

Jason Bourne wrote:There is no need to become defensive or belligerent. [/b]Our position is solid; the Church is true.[/b]


Just because you get warm fuzzy feelings under your nipples? My position is solid. The church is false. Joseph was a criminal. But we are all too familiar with the Mormon position don't provide proof with facts just offer testimonies.

He also said:

"You cannot do a Google search to get a testimony," he said. "You can't text-message faith."


Meaning, don't go looking on the Internet for anything because back to point #1, the church is true.

"We want to be understood; we don't want to be misunderstood."


Meaning, again, the church is true.

Ballard doesn't want anyone debating. Debating leads to thinking. And those that think may become intellectuals. And intellectuals are the greatest threat to the church.

Ballard just wants to control the information and call the debate over before it begins.
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But I'm sure Ballard would never consider defunding NAMIRS despite its overtly un-Christ-like approach.
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Jason,

Every time I see a Mormon citing 3 Nephi 11:29 I want to run away and scream.

Every time I see a Mormon saying to be more Christ like I want to run away and scream.

If contention is always of the devil, then Jesus is of the devil. Anyone who has read the New Testament will know that Jesus didn't mince words with his opponents, he often did not "answer softly," and he seemed to have no problem with kicking a little butt at the temple.

Does that mean that Christians (and Mormons) have carte blanche justification to act horrible? No, of course not. It means show a little common sense and wisdom. Don't go on the attack always, but there is also no need to avoid contention at all costs. I think that most Mormons would be surprised to know that a common impression of Mormons is that they are fake. Fake because being syrupy kind just doesn't come off as real. I don't think this helps the church missionary wise, no one wants to join a church if the members are seen as fake.

If the LDS church wants its members to get involved with social media and community projects the GAs are going to have to do something that they rarely, if ever do: trust the members.
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Jason, your work with Habitat for Humanity sounds amazing! Also the recent seminars on inter-faith issues sound great too!

More of this sort of thing!!!
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Aristotle Smith wrote:Jason,

Every time I see a Mormon citing 3 Nephi 11:29 I want to run away and scream.


Really? Why?

Every time I see a Mormon saying to be more Christ like I want to run away and scream.


Well sorry but really too bad for you.
If contention is always of the devil, then Jesus is of the devil. Anyone who has read the New Testament will know that Jesus didn't mince words with his opponents, he often did not "answer softly," and he seemed to have no problem with kicking a little butt at the temple.


And every time I see a someone tell me essentially "I think I know more about the scriptures than you" and "Jesus was really not this wonderfully nice guy", I want to scream as well.

Look I know Jesus rebuked some at times and had some tough teachings. But He was Jesus. He was the Son of God at least according to the New Testament. That means he knew the hearts and minds of those he spoke sharply too. Still his message was one of love. Go read the sermon on the mount. It seems to me that you and I don't know the minds and hearts of those we engage. Disciples of Christ are told to love your enemy, turn the other cheek, not to judge, that he meek and merciful inherit the earth and obtain mercy.

When you have the ability to see into the hearts and minds of other humans and are a perfect man, well then if you want to grab a whip and kick some butt have at it. Tell then your are admonished differently as far as I can tell.

Does that mean that Christians (and Mormons) have carte blanche justification to act horrible? No, of course not.


Ok


It means show a little common sense and wisdom.


I think it means showing a bit more than a little. But that is just me.


Don't go on the attack always, but there is also no need to avoid contention at all costs.


One can contend and contend calmly and rationally. Do you think that is reflected by some LDS defenders here or even some other Christian flavors here?


I think that most Mormons would be surprised to know that a common impression of Mormons is that they are fake.


I think you are jaded.

And I can tell you a bit about my LDS 16 year old daughter's view of the over the top piety and false sanctimony she sees at her friends EV Church. She is an active Mormon and cannot really stomach all the "God is Great,He is so awesome, He is so wonderful" and so on.

Just listen to the ozziness on modern Christian music.

Fake because being syrupy kind just doesn't come off as real. I don't think this helps the church missionary wise, no one wants to join a church if the members are seen as fake.


Some Mormons can be that way. So can many Born again EV types I know. Even more so. I could tell you about the local Baptist Ministers wife and how she is so sickly sweet to us and my daughter who took piano lessons from her you almost want to spit. At the same time she is quite happy to host anti Mormons when they come to town.

If the LDS church wants its members to get involved with social media and community projects the GAs are going to have to do something that they rarely, if ever do: trust the members.


I think they do trust the members on this. Else why encourage it and promote it and give tools to do it?
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Jason Bourne ... almost he persuadeth me to be a Mormon ...

He is reasonable, open, and humane.

And I agree that there are a lot of non-Mormon Christians who certainly aren't. Nasty fanatical self-righteousness and looking down on the deluded members of other faiths (or none) is certainly not an exclusive characteristic of LDS.
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With that in mind please review the comments by Elder Ballard below. Defenders who come here, do you think you are acting withing the council given by Elder Ballard below? Do you treat the people here that you disagree with like Children of God for whom the atonement of Christ can still apply? Do you attempt to give a soft answer?


I think those questions give the gist of it. I try but I know I come up short. Shall we expect perfection?
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Aristotle Smith wrote:Jason,

Every time I see a Mormon citing 3 Nephi 11:29 I want to run away and scream.


Really? Why?


Because 99% of the time it is mainly used as a tool to end debate. As in don't contend, follow the brethren, case closed.

Jason Bourne wrote:
Every time I see a Mormon saying to be more Christ like I want to run away and scream.


Well sorry but really too bad for you.


No really. Being Christ like in today's context essentially means to act like a well behaved middle class American. Problem: Jesus wasn't a well behaved middle class American. It pisses me off because it almost never means try and figure out who Jesus was, it's a way of imputing our values onto Jesus himself.

And just so you know, I cringe just as bad when I hear Christians say the same thing.

Jason Bourne wrote:Look I know Jesus rebuked some at times and had some tough teachings.


Then you agree with me, and case closed.

Jason Bourne wrote:But He was Jesus. He was the Son of God at least according to the New Testament. That means he knew the hearts and minds of those he spoke sharply too. Still his message was one of love.


Here's the problem Jason, if he was so wholly different than everyone else, i.e. he can rebuke because he's super Jesus and knows all hearts and minds, then he can't be an example. If Mormons really think that Jesus had a veil put over his mind in the same way as we all do, then he had no special abilities to mind read. Otherwise, he's super Jesus and everything he does and says has to be interpreted as beyond our ability and comprehension, which means you and I have as much ability to follow his example as a hamster does mine.
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Some Mormons can be that way. So can many Born again EV types I know. Even more so. I could tell you about the local Baptist Ministers wife and how she is so sickly sweet to us and my daughter who took piano lessons from her you almost want to spit. At the same time she is quite happy to host anti Mormons when they come to town.


I get annoyed when some Mormons try to put their fake behavior into perspective by bringing up Evangelical behavior. Well, I'm no fan of Evangelical culture, but I'd say you lose on this count as well. Evangelicals strike me as more genuine than Mormons, and for one reason that should be obvious:

Evangelicals think they are already saved, and yet they act the way they do anyway. Why? Because they're more likely to be genuine. Mormons on the other hand - in my experience anyway - they are fans of setting goals and loading up their Franklin planner with service projects and things of that sort. You're never doing enough, especially when you think you are, etc. Work, work, work, work, and then when you think you've done enough, go work some more. They do this because theirs is a works-based path towards salvation, and they love to cite the relevant scriptures that appear to support this mentality. But while their works produce much good for society, they're really doing this for themselves. I cannot count the number of times I thanked a Mormon or small group of Mormons for helping my granny cut her grass, or for bringing over food when our entire family was sick, or (pick a service project), only to hear them respond with something like, "Don't thank me, I need the blessings."
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