A Very Limited Geography

[_jon]

Perhaps you are ignorant to the brink of disability?

Ah, personal slander and name calling - the last stand of a failed argument...

[_Simon Belmont]

Ah, personal slander and name calling - the last stand of a failed argument...

So you now agree that Jesus Christ set up a primitive church?

Excellent.

[_sock puppet]

Ah, personal slander and name calling - the last stand of a failed argument...

So you now agree that Jesus Christ set up a primitive church?

Excellent.

I don't think Jesus set up a church, I think the 12 did after Jesus died. Jesus didn't delegate, if he wanted something done, he did it. Whether that was preaching or dying on a cross.

[_Brackite]

Bump.

[_jon]

Ah, personal slander and name calling - the last stand of a failed argument...

So you now agree that Jesus Christ set up a primitive church?

Excellent.

Remind me again which 'Church' Jesus was baptised into by John The Baptist?

[_Brackite]

Well, it looks like our friend Simon Southerton hasn't been back around here for a while. I am aware of this mitochondrial DNA study of Native Mesoamericans from Mexico.
Here is the Link to this mitochondrial DNA:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez


Of the 477 Native Mesoamericans that were mitochondrial DNA tested from this study, only three of these Native Mesoamericans did not have mitochondrial DNA derived from Eastern Asia. That means that 474 of these Mesoamerican People did have mitochondrial DNA derived from Eastern Asia. That is at about 99.4% of these Mesoamerican People tested for mitochondrial DNA from this study, which have mitochondrial DNA derived from Eastern Asia. This definitely does Not bode well for the Mesoamerica Geography setting for the Book of Mormon.
Here is the Link to Runtu's DNA Thread:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18075

[_JudgemeGod]

Remind me again which 'Church' Jesus was baptised into by John The Baptist?

I'm not sure if your question is rhetorical or not but John did not baptize into a church. He baptized for remission of sins.
The action or outer expression for being part of the covenant was circumcision.
The ceremonial bath was part of the religion and did not just happen once in a life time to become a member.
The church organization was set up by Moses, Jesus did not come to destroy the law but fulfill it.
Jesus' church was the Jewish religion. The Messiah is part of that religion not a new “church” or organization.


I wish the limited geography people would address the book of Ether and that they were the first people in the Americas. As well as the flood killing everyone before Noah so there could be no asia 15000 year old DNA only 4000 year old DNA.
How can you claim the Book of Mormon to be true and not the flood ?
If you follow the Bible and Book of Mormon families and time lines you can not make it fit in any DNA map.
Limited geography or not.

[_Brackite]

Remind me again which 'Church' Jesus was baptised into by John The Baptist?

I'm not sure if your question is rhetorical or not but John did not baptize into a church. He baptized for remission of sins.
The action or outer expression for being part of the covenant was circumcision.
The ceremonial bath was part of the religion and did not just happen once in a life time to become a member.
The church organization was set up by Moses, Jesus did not come to destroy the law but fulfill it.
Jesus' church was the Jewish religion. The Messiah is part of that religion not a new “church” or organization.


I wish the limited geography people would address the book of Ether and that they were the first people in the Americas. As well as the flood killing everyone before Noah so there could be no asia 15000 year old DNA only 4000 year old DNA.
How can you claim the Book of Mormon to be true and not the flood ?
If you follow the Bible and Book of Mormon families and time lines you can not make it fit in any DNA map.
Limited geography or not.

The Following is from the late LDS Apostle, LeGrand Richards:

The Book of Mormon gives a very definite account of who the American Indians are and how they came to the western hemisphere. The first people of whom we have record who occupied the western hemisphere were the Jaredites, who left the tower of Babel at the time of the confounding of their language and the scattering of the people. They were led to America by the Lord:

And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. (Genesis 11:6-8)

In view of the statement "the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth," it is not unreasonable to assume that some of the people were scattered to the land of America, for certainly it is a part of "all the earth."
The Jaredites became extinct through their failure to keep the commandments of the Lord. For an account of this people, see the book of Ether in the Book of Mormon.

[LeGrand Richards: A Marvelous Work And A Wonder: Deseret Book Company: 1976: Page 72.]




According to the Book of Mormon, the Jaredites did indeed become extinct. The Following Passages are from the Book of Mormon:

Ether 1:

[1] And now I, Moroni, proceed to give an account of those ancient inhabitants who were destroyed by the hand of the Lord upon the face of this north country.

[2] And I take mine account from the twenty and four plates which were found by the people of Limhi, which is called the Book of Ether.




Ether 13:

[1] And now I, Moroni, proceed to finish my record concerning the destruction of the people of whom I have been writing.

[2] For behold, they rejected all the words of Ether; for he truly told them of all things, from the beginning of man; and that after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof;

...

[20] And in the second year the word of the Lord came to Ether, that he should go and prophesy unto Coriantumr that, if he would repent, and all his household, the Lord would give unto him his kingdom and spare the people --

[21] Otherwise they should be destroyed, and all his household save it were himself. And he should only live to see the fulfilling of the prophecies which had been spoken concerning another people receiving the land for their inheritance; and Coriantumr should receive a burial by them; and every soul should be destroyed save it were Coriantumr.

[22] And it came to pass that Coriantumr repented not, neither his household, neither the people; and the wars ceased not; and they sought to kill Ether, but he fled from before them and hid again in the cavity of the rock.




Ether 15:

[29] Wherefore, he did pursue them, and on the morrow he did overtake them; and they fought again with the sword. And it came to pass that when they had all fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.

[30] And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.

[31] And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised upon his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.

[32] And it came to pass that Coriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life.




Omni 1:

[20] And it came to pass in the days of Mosiah, there was a large stone brought unto him with engravings on it; and he did interpret the engravings by the gift and power of God.

[21] And they gave an account of one Coriantumr, and the slain of his people. And Coriantumr was discovered by the people of Zarahemla; and he dwelt with them for the space of nine moons.

[22] It also spake a few words concerning his fathers. And his first parents came out from the tower, at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people; and the severity of the Lord fell upon them according to his judgments, which are just; and their bones lay scattered in the land northward.

[_DarkHelmet]

Mormons believe the DNA issues for the Book of Mormon have been disproven the same way flat earthers believe the scientific "evidence" proving the earth is actually round has been disproven. It's called denial. With denial you can disprove anything.

[_Buffalo]

Mormons believe the DNA issues for the Book of Mormon have been disproven the same way flat earthers believe the scientific "evidence" proving the earth is actually round has been disproven. It's called denial. With denial you can disprove anything.

Or the same what that the Discover Institute people think evolution has been disproven.