Themis wrote: I see whyme is avioding the issue as usual. Explain how your expereince is similar to some of the women who married Joseph but different then all the others who only have different conclusions and beliefs based on theirs? by the way to be fair to whyme, no apologist or member who maintains their is a difference has really dealt with this issue either.
I have no idea of the others nor of their experiences. I can only give my own experience and compare it with the women who said yes to Joseph Smith after receiving such a witness. Some of the women who were sealed to Joseph orginally said no. It was only after they prayed for a witness did they receive such a witness. And then, they consented because they had a testimony of its truthfulness. Was I duped? No. I just prayed and got a witness, just like some of the women did.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
sock puppet wrote:See, that's the problem. It's general enough that the HG could have been telling you that Rocky Road is a better ice cream flavor than Vanilla. It was man that misled you by convincing you that your confirmation was directed at Mormonism.
I understand that you need to believe this. Denying the HG can be serious. And denying the spirit can be problematic. And so, I can understand why you equate it all to ice cream.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Buffalo wrote:The winners in war don't have to pay for their crimes.
Winners write the law. Winners write the history. Both are meant to absolve themselves of crimes.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
why me wrote:I have no idea of the others nor of their experiences.
Ya we already know you don't, and since this has been brought up to you mulitiple times, we know you have no interest in dealing with it.
I can only give my own experience and compare it with the women who said yes to Joseph Smith after receiving such a witness. Some of the women who were sealed to Joseph orginally said no. It was only after they prayed for a witness did they receive such a witness. And then, they consented because they had a testimony of its truthfulness. Was I duped? No. I just prayed and got a witness, just like some of the women did
Just like those Bent girls. Just like so many around the world. Interesting that you don't care to learn more about them. I guess many feel a need to ingore them to protect their own interpretations.
by the way Another issue you also ignore is the many reasons why women put into these situations who do not want to do it get powereful expereinces to help them cope with the situation and go through with it. Very similar to stockholm syndrome. Just another one of those things you will ignore, so enjoy.
I just talked to my old comp again today and he mentioned that he is still reeling from my decision to leave the church. He reiterated how he is really worried. I told him, "Don't worry, you can come visit me [in the lower kingdom/OD] any time."
He said, "Oh, it will all end up okay. I'm not worried about where you will end up. I'm just stunned that you don't believe any of it any more." He then started saying how I don't believe anything, which he needed to be corrected on. But the point I want you to see is his comment about my not believing.
That is what really scares him. It's not that my life will fall apart or that I will burn in Hell. It is simply that stopping the belief of our childhood and community is unfathomable.
Do you think some people are just afraid to stop believing?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
zeezrom wrote:I just talked to my old comp again today and he mentioned that he is still reeling from my decision to leave the church. He reiterated how he is really worried. I told him, "Don't worry, you can come visit me [in the lower kingdom/OD] any time."
He said, "Oh, it will all end up okay. I'm not worried about where you will end up. I'm just stunned that you don't believe any of it any more." He then started saying how I don't believe anything, which he needed to be corrected on. But the point I want you to see is his comment about my not believing.
That is what really scares him. It's not that my life will fall apart or that I will burn in Hell. It is simply that stopping the belief of our childhood and community is unfathomable.
Do you think some people are just afraid to stop believing?
I was. Especially after I heard stories of former missionaries who stopped believing. I wondered, "how is that even possible? Could it ever happen to me?" Scary stuff for a true believer.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
zeezrom wrote: Do you think some people are just afraid to stop believing?
Would you be afraid to believe again? I think so. People are afraid of anything that may change their life. Do you think that Don was not a little afraid to believe in the church again? I think so. It works both ways. Religion is not just a belief. It is a way of life. And it can be a fearful experience to not believe and to believe again.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:I have no idea of the others nor of their experiences.
Ya we already know you don't, and since this has been brought up to you mulitiple times, we know you have no interest in dealing with it.
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People make claims all the time. I only know that the experiences of the LDS women who eventually consented to being sealed to Joseph Smith had very powerful witnesses. And it were these powerful witnesses that got them to say yes. At times the witness was given months after the proposal. Quite powerful.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:Religion is not just a belief. It is a way of life. And it can be a fearful experience to not believe and to believe again.
So, we should all leave Mormonism and join the catholic church? I agree that Catholicism is definitely a notch above the Mormon church but it seems like you are in the wrong place to try to win converts since not many here are looking for a new religion....
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