truth dancer wrote:Are there any critics/non-believers left on the MDD board?
I'm guessing, these days the MDDB is more like a gospel doctrine class, only filled with the folk who want to ask questions and engage in discussion outside the approved curriculum but can't during Sunday School.
~td~
There are a minimal amount and a few newbies that likely won't last long. The board is strictly a "yes mamn or yes sir" environment.
Bow your head and type 'yes'...
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
Buffalo wrote:Actually, the apologetic responses from FAIR were much more damaging to my testimony than anything "anti". As a TBM I was trained to distrust outside sources. But FAIR simultaneously verified some of the damaging information and then gave very poor excuses for it. That's tough for a chapel Mormon to swallow.
This is correct. Whyme will ignore this as he does so many things to protect his beliefs. Somehow they blame us for being more open minded and fair. Oh well.
truth dancer wrote:Are there any critics/non-believers left on the MDD board?
I am not banned yet, but I rarely post there. The moderation is so lopsided and ridiculous that it is hardly worth participating in their "dialogue." The forum is a lot like CARM now.
lostindc wrote: Wow, I did not know that FAIR has chosen to distance themselves from MAD. This explains a lot. This is far more worse than I imagined. Judging by your post I must have swayed you into agreeing that MAD is at least on a decline. At least we can agree on this statement. I have not been a really long time poster on LDS message boards but I do recall hearing about a similar board coming to a crashing end using similar tactics that nemesis is using. I am still waiting for nemesis to post the stats I have been requesting.
The MDD board has been changing since its time on FAIR. And that is perfectly natural. Time moves on and with it, things change. However here is my point: on exmormon boards, there is no freedom. Just a dictatorship of thought. One must be negative about the church and no one can claim the opposite. No freedom of expression. And yet, no one here sees the hypocrisy of it all.Why are the owners of such boards fear opposing viewpoints? Why isn't there freedom of expression and an engagement of ideas? Why are they cultish in tone and belief?
MDD allows for freedom of thought within reason. And rightly so. But your focus should not be on MDD but on the exmormon and postmormon sites that are dictatorial and do not free expression.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Buffalo wrote: Actually, the apologetic responses from FAIR were much more damaging to my testimony than anything "anti". As a TBM I was trained to distrust outside sources. But FAIR simultaneously verified some of the damaging information and then gave very poor excuses for it. That's tough for a chapel Mormon to swallow.
Everything depends on interpretation. FAIR can only give an interpretation of the events. The critics can only give an interpretation of events. Much better to liven up the interpretation with innuendos and hypotheticalsas as the critics do. And such innuendos and hypos can be demaging to a testimony if they go unrecognized.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Buffalo wrote: Actually, the apologetic responses from FAIR were much more damaging to my testimony than anything "anti". As a TBM I was trained to distrust outside sources. But FAIR simultaneously verified some of the damaging information and then gave very poor excuses for it. That's tough for a chapel Mormon to swallow.
Everything depends on interpretation. FAIR can only give an interpretation of the events. The critics can only give an interpretation of events. Much better to liven up the interpretation with innuendos and hypotheticalsas as the critics do. And such innuendos and hypos can be demaging to a testimony if they go unrecognized.
Sorry, most hypotheticals come from defenders. Over and over I see them rejecting that which is most plausible given the evidence in favor of what is merely possible but highly unlikely, and at the same time faith-promoting.
Not everything depends on interpretation. Some things are facts. Decent people can't "interpret" certain facts away once they learn them.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
lostindc wrote: Wow, I did not know that FAIR has chosen to distance themselves from MAD. This explains a lot. This is far more worse than I imagined. Judging by your post I must have swayed you into agreeing that MAD is at least on a decline. At least we can agree on this statement. I have not been a really long time poster on LDS message boards but I do recall hearing about a similar board coming to a crashing end using similar tactics that nemesis is using. I am still waiting for nemesis to post the stats I have been requesting.
The MDD board has been changing since its time on FAIR. And that is perfectly natural. Time moves on and with it, things change. However here is my point: on exmormon boards, there is no freedom. Just a dictatorship of thought. One must be negative about the church and no one can claim the opposite. No freedom of expression. And yet, no one here sees the hypocrisy of it all.Why are the owners of such boards fear opposing viewpoints? Why isn't there freedom of expression and an engagement of ideas? Why are they cultish in tone and belief?
MDD allows for freedom of thought within reason. And rightly so. But your focus should not be on MDD but on the exmormon and postmormon sites that are dictatorial and do not free expression.
Isn't the purpose of those boards ex-mo support rather than interfaith dialogue?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
I think you are here because you have found that these discussions and debates cannot be held within the confines of 'God's true Church' where suppression (of information and of free will) subjugation and hypocrisy are the norms.
I'm here for exactly those reasons.
One can bring up anything one wants in church meetings as long as they are on topic. No problem. And when one does bring something up, it should be done with no ill intent. No problem. I have done it many times.
On exmo forums all freedom is surpressed. No one can be positive about the LDS church. NOM and Postmo are good examples. And I am sure that the foyer is the same. Exmos can not have their new belief system challenged. The site administrators will not allow it.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Buffalo wrote: Isn't the purpose of those boards ex-mo support rather than interfaith dialogue?
And that is the smoke screen. Most all the posts on exmo and postmo forums are negative toward the LDS church. Post a negative and the members slap you on the back, give you hugs and kisses. And all agree.
Challenge the new belief system and their interpretation and the wolves appear and gang rape the positive poster until they submit or are banned.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:Everything depends on interpretation. FAIR can only give an interpretation of the events. The critics can only give an interpretation of events. Much better to liven up the interpretation with innuendos and hypotheticalsas as the critics do. And such innuendos and hypos can be demaging to a testimony if they go unrecognized.
You always speak without thiniking or knowing what you are talking about. Fair and Farms have articles on just about every critical issue and interpretatuion. That many of their answers are so poor that it does not convince many members is just due to lack of evidence and good answers to these issues.