Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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Nemesis has now posted this on his solo thread on the MAD board:

Ok I thought staying quiet would stop the meme generator attacks then they go and make one that promotes violence against a woman.

[Posted Image of Juliann from memegenerator, with caption "Hate Women? Kick This One"]

Really irresponsible and yes this attack started at mormondiscussions dot com

I think this post alone sums up what I have been trying to point out this whole time and proves where the misogyny really stems from.

Nemesis


Two points on this -

Firstly, even assuming the latest meme is, as he takes it, an attack on Juliann, what evidence has he that this was some kind of collective act by this board ("they go and ...") rather than a single nut at work?

Secondly, who else out there agrees with me that this picture is probably NOT intended as an incitement to kick Juliann, but is more likely intended to say something like "Are you a pathetic loser with a grudge against women? OK, here is one for you to kick- she doesn't know who you are, and can't hurt you back"?

The prose generated by Nemesis is often so garbled that I have wondered whether he is a native English speaker. I hope he is not, since otherwise he would have to be really badly educated. But in this case I think he shows himself to be just plain dim, as well as unalterably malevolent to this board as a whole, and to pretty well anyone on it.

(And isn't posting the image a really good way of making the whole damn thing cool down and go away? Could it be that Nemesis rather enjoys the prolongation of anything that in his view shows just how wicked exmos and nevermos are?)

{edited to correct punctuation at one point}
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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

Post by _Doctor CamNC4Me »

Hello Mr. Chap,

I mentioned it before, and taking a re-look at the Mad Julian meme I get the feeling it's a false flag thing at this point. First of all, none of the recent ones are clever, and furthermore it just looks like the work of a Mohadist. It appears Mr. Nemesis has not-so-good intentions at this point.

Oh my.

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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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You know, the only thing we can control is how we respond to people. If other people want to continue throwing accusations, we can at least be the ones who end it by simply not responding in kind.
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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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Chap wrote:Nemesis has now posted this on his solo thread on the MAD board:

Ok I thought staying quiet would stop the meme generator attacks then they go and make one that promotes violence against a woman.

[Posted Image of Juliann from memegenerator, with caption "Hate Women? Kick This One"]

Really irresponsible and yes this attack started at mormondiscussions dot com

I think this post alone sums up what I have been trying to point out this whole time and proves where the misogyny really stems from.

Nemesis


Two points on this -

Firstly, even assuming the latest meme is, as he takes it an attack on Juliann, what evidence has he that this was some kind of collective act by this board ("they go and ...") rather than a single nut at work?

Secondly, who else out there agrees with me that this picture is probably NOT intended as an incitement to kick Juliann, but is more likely intended to say something like "Are you a pathetic loser with a grudge against women? OK, here is one for you to kick- she doesn't know who you are, and can't hurt you back"?

The prose generated by Nemesis is often so garbled that I have wondered whether he is a native English speaker. I hope he is not, since otherwise he would have to be really badly educated. But in this case I think he shows himself to be just plain dim, as well as unalterably malevolent to this board as a whole, and to pretty well anyone on it.

(And isn't posting the image a really good way of making the whole damn thing cool down and go away? Could it be that Nemesis rather enjoys the prolongation of anything that in his view shows just how wicked exmos and nevermos are?)


Yeah, he's pretty stupid. It's obvious the image he mentions is a defense of Juliann. Someone needs to take away his mod privileges before he totally destroys their board.
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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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Chap wrote:The prose generated by Nemesis is often so garbled that I have wondered whether he is a native English speaker. I hope he is not, since otherwise he would have to be really badly educated.


I think the account is shared by several moderators and that is why the grammar and level of discourse issuing from its mouth are so uneven. One of the Nemesii has a great deal of trouble constructing grammatical sentences: they are usually long run-on constructions with little or no punctuation and very difficult to parse. I don't see any traditional ESL markers, I think this person just isn't much of a reader and is not that accustomed to the written word.

However, there is a more troubling point in the screeds: the continued assertion that everything on meme site has been produced by MDB collectively. This is what the flagrant use of "they are doing this" and "they did that" kind of statements suggests. And that is quite blatantly not true.
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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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Even odder ... I notice that there is now a Juliann meme that was evidently created by some would-be peacemaker in response to Nemesis's decision to post the image and caption he refers to on screen. The caption is:

"Is it really helpful to post her pic on MDD as well? Doesn't it just feed the war? Time to tone it down instead please."

Could it be that Juliann's picture is nucleating a new mode of communication that cuts across the TBM and exmo/nevermo communities? All you want to say has to be fitted into a caption to her picture.

Is this the new Twitter? Are people going to start saying "I read that piece in the Trib about basketball at BYU, and I was so annoyed I posted a Juliann about it?". Juliann herself seems to be getting less and less relevant to the captions. I'd like to think of a McLuhanesque aphorism to cover this, but alas I can't ...
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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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Ha!

The post by Nemesis referenced in my OP now has this in place of the image he had there before:

pic removed by request


A reader of his post now has no means at all of judging what might be the nature of the evil caption on the picture ... he or she is thus free to imagine the worst, and in my experience the imagination of the supposedly pure in heart can produce some fairly rich stuff.

Who thinks that as a result of this modification even more readers of MAD will guiltily slip over to the meme generator to have a look, just to see how horribly depraved people get when they go apostate? Hell, this business has already brought them over here in numbers - there are fourteen guests here as I type this! Hello, guests!
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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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I just bumped up a thread of EA's that didn't get much attention but I thought made a very valid point.

viewtopic.php?p=462997#p462997

EA said:
When various LDS posters call this board a "trailerpark," a "cesspool" and other familiar insults, that's not always tongue in cheek, and even when it is, that's not always the effect on readers. When LDS posters constantly attack the integrity and motives of people here and, in some cases, just flat lie about what is happening, that is not without effect.

I think you can read some of the hate people have and their dismissive attitude towards this board, a board they almost never peruse, as in part a direct consequence of that. There are people who genuinely hate you for being here. That behavior is "cultish" and to be expected in all honesty, but it should be thought about when people repeat those insults and misrepresentations over and over and over. It is meant to poison the well so people's mind will shut down before even listening to what you have to say. When DCP called this place a den of iniquity and others implied that the m.o. of great many of the posters is libel, vile threats, cruelty and dishonesty, people believe that.


As this debacle has continued, it seems more and more obvious that some internet defenders of the faith really do view this board as being filled with morally destitute and horrendous people who wouldn't object to the vulgarity inflicted on Juliann. I think the willingness, and even eagerness at times, to believe such a thing may have something to do with the tendency of LDS leaders to vilify apostates in general. Hard of heart, darkened of spirit, spawn of Satan, blahblahblah. In general, I do not think the LDS church qualifies as a cult, but there are certainly times when they act "cult-like", and indoctrinating their members to believe apostates are evil is one of those times.

I think this is why Nemesis says the sort of things he does, and why his bias is so overwhelming that he can't even recognize that the meme he cited was actually defending Juliann.

And yes, his inability to write coherently is very annoying. It actually hurts my eyes. Of course we're writing on internet boards, not like a college thesis, but can't he at least attempt to make his posts moderately readable?
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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

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Really irresponsible and yes this attack started at mormondiscussions dot com

No, Nemesis, this attack absolutely DID NOT start at MormonDiscussions.com!

Everybody here has roundly condemned those actions. Not only that, but they were started on a totally unrelated website, NOT here!

I'm pretty sure that Nemesis himself is the one who's behind them. As he's continued to mentally unravel, it's looking more and more like he's posting them so that he can falsely blame this message board for something.
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Re: Is Nemesis a bit ... challenged?

Post by _Eric »

I feel bad for DanG/Nemesis. If a day without laughter is a day wasted, how much of his life has he wasted away throughout this whole affair. I think the contrasting reactions to all of this is very interesting. On one side you have DanG/Nemesis and the great Tim Berman who are livid and acting out, you have others who are falling for some of DanG's dramatics and are trying to register their opposition lest they be grouped in with the rest of DanG's "mormondiscussions dot com," and there are people like me who refuse to spend any calories denouncing some anonymous person's (could be anyone on Earth) poor (in my opinion) personal choices or pontificating about Internet ethics and morality. I already registered my opposition to making fun of an abuse victim about being abused in any setting, I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees. So why does this continue? Does DanG not realized that he's being trolled harder than I've ever seen before? Or does he enjoy the dramatics?

The meme made of Kevin was probably illegal, since there were sexually explicit captions and pictures of children involved, the MAD-Juliann memes (at least the ones that I saw) weren't even close. Also, Kevin's picture (as far as I know) was not in the public domain, for self-promotion purposes, like Juliann and Berman's were. That's probably why they still exist despite all of the reports by us and others, while Kevin's don't.

As I'm writing this I see that jskains has logged in, so I think I'm going to hunker down and wait for the storm that is most certainly coming our way to pass.

Cheers.
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