How Saturday's Warrior and Johnny Lingo Hurt the Church

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Re: How Saturday's Warrior and Johnny Lingo Hurt the Church

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
The Nehor wrote:I think someone is bitter about inflation in the cows to quality wife market.



You mean someone like Heber C. Kimball?

Heber C. Kimball wrote: "I think no more of taking another wife than I do of buying a cow."


It's too bad that Johnny Lingo did nothing to help dispel the myth that Mormons view women as chattel.

I didn't know Heber C Kimball was engaged in bestiality. Is this an unwritten part of the new and everlasting covenant?
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Quasimodo wrote:
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:TOM TRAILS

Yes, for many who attended seminary, this was a staple. Who can forget the tale of Tom Trails, a young modern day Lamanite coming to terms with himself and what it truly means to be a Lamanite in the Church today.

I’m sure modern day LGT proponents like Michael Ash wish this film would just go away. However it is available in its entirety for your viewing pleasure: http://www.tomtrails.com/films.htm
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Thanks for the link on "Tom Trails", Everybody Wang Chung! Never having attended seminary, I had never seen it. I understand what you mean.

While I was watching it, I kept thinking of this image:

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That first guy looks like a rock star. The second guy looks like an IBM nerd.
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Re: How Saturday's Warrior and Johnny Lingo Hurt the Church

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DarkHelmet wrote:That first guy looks like a rock star. The second guy looks like an IBM nerd.


Yep. The irony is that the Carlisle School produced these images to show how improved he looked after his "education" at the school.
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Did Tom Trails ever marry Lily so having her love was permanent?
What did he do with his own bright future? Seems to have disappeared from view. What, he went to BYU and found out there really are no lamanites?
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Johnny Lingo certainly didn’t help dispel this myth.

What is really shocking is that Mormons can watch it today and not see that there's anything morally suspect about the whole trading a daughter for 8 cows scenario. They're so caught up on "But it was 8 cows!!" and "I'm an eight-cow wife too!" that they don't seem to ask "Hey, is there something questionable about teaching morality lessons using stories in which treating a woman as property is romanticized?". I mean, you'd think there'd at least be a conversation to be had there.


Like all antiMormons, you're out of touch not only with the doctrine but, in this case, with the culture. Most Mormons view Johnny Lingo as a story of liberation from humiliating treatment and from self-loathing and low self-esteem.

Mahana you ugly!

Of course you've strained at a gnat and swallowed a camel. I highly doubt you've even seen this short movie.

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bcspace wrote:Like all antiMormons, you're out of touch not only with the doctrine but, in this case, with the culture. Most Mormons view Johnny Lingo as a story of liberation from humiliating treatment and from self-loathing and low self-esteem.



I think it speaks volumes about you that you see nothing wrong with Johnny Lingo. Tragic.

Also, not that it matters, but I am an active, temple recommend carrying member. Thanks for not jumping to conclusions or judging.
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Who could forget this masterpiece about a young man’s struggle with temptation, that features an evil “Zero Population” street gang who looked like "Solid Gold Dancer" rejects.


The ZPG movement grew out of the environmental movement and the work of discredited ideologically driven scientists such as that of the notorious Paul Ehrlich. "Overpopulation" is an ideological myth, and bore a very strong resemblance, in its heydey, to AGW.

30 years later, the Church is still working to disaffect people of the notion of soul mates, parents choosing their children, being the most righteous generation, among other things.


CFR

The notion that we are members of the most blessed and awesomely righteous generation that has ever lived — certainly has its appeal among narcissists. Indeed, it is so pervasive that Pres. Packer actually made a public statement against this notion: http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/39791/Pres-Packer-refutes-quote.html


The Brethren have long taught that we are a generation of unique souls chosen to come forth in this dispensation because of our particular strengths and capacities. Its Church doctrine.

In point of fact, the quote be Elder Packer linked to isn't ever relevant to the doctrinal material Wang mentions in his own post.

Let’s face it, Mormonism is viewed in many parts of the country and world as being all about polygamy and treating women like chattel.


CFR

What is really shocking is that Mormons can watch it today and not see that there's anything morally suspect about the whole trading a daughter for 8 cows scenario.


In that kind of a traditional society, there isn't.

They're so caught up on "But it was 8 cows!!" and "I'm an eight-cow wife too!" that they don't seem to ask "Hey, is there something questionable about teaching morality lessons using stories in which treating a woman as property is romanticized?".


They could have set it in Tokugawa era Japan and made the same points legitimately.

I know the LDS like to hold this theme up as feigning the way Johnny Lingo saw Mahona's potential, but it sends so many other terrible messages to little girls. It's insulting to their intellect, limiting to their potential, and the most misogynistic movie ever foisted on LDS women (I am willing to bet that WS loves this movie).


Its always nice to see feminist boilerplate like this regurgitated on cue as if from last semester's freshman woman's studies class at Wellsley with Freudian tenacity in seeking out the sinister hidden ideologies and motives behind Johnny Lingo. You'd have to have Naomi Wolfe posting here personally to outdo this.

Cow and wife should not be uttered in the same sentence. I would love to see what a feminist movie critic would make of this.


Now I understand again why Buckley once titled one of his books "Up From Liberalism."

Finally, the scene where Mahona finally gets a hand mirror and sees herself and she is now a Polynesian Barbie Doll, sends so many sick messages to little girls about their value and ownership by men.


So little American girls are going to get the idea stuffed into their heads that their future husbands are going to own them by watching a movie about a traditional tribal society in the South Seas that uses that setting to teach a moral principle.
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Droopy, you're not actually trying to defend Johnny Lingo and Saturday's Warrior are you? That's a little like trying to defend the Holocaust.

Go back to sleep my friend.
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Lamest OP in the history of the Internet.
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