sock puppet wrote:If it's a response that I find rewarding or pleasant (hedonism), then it is a correct response.
Kind of like feeling the spirit, believing in God, and/or embracing religion for billions of people, huh?
Simon Belmont wrote:Limitations on our five senses? Well, without a microscope, I cannot see the microscopic. Without a telescope I can only see so much of the astronomical sights in the sky that I can see with a telescope. We keep building more powerful microscopes and telescopes.
Yes, we do keep building mechanical wonders that improve our current senses, but do they also have limitations?
Simon Belmont wrote:To sense what?
Something we do not yet know about.
My nose senses smells that physically exist.
Well no, not exactly. Your nose responds to some type of stimuli, sends a message to your brain which then interprets it as a "smell."
What proof do you have that there exists anything 'spiritual' that we need a sense to detect it?
Well, you said so yourself, if it's rewarding or pleasant then it's correct.
Yong Xi wrote:Whenever I hold an apple, the first thought that comes to mind is, "The Church is True".
Yong Xi, it just comes to your mind or is it suggestively planted there another man or woman telling you that is what holding an apple means?
Good point. Sometimes I hear my mother's voice, at other times it is my grandfather, and on occasion it is Sister Miller from the ward of my youth (she bore a pow'ful testimony). Nonetheless, the voices all say the same. "The Church is True".
11 matches: Deuteronomy 32:10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye. Psalms 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings, Proverbs 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. Proverbs 25:11 A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver. Song of Solomon 2:3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste. Song of Solomon 2:5 Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love. Song of Solomon 7:8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples; Song of Solomon 8:5 Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved? I raised thee up under the apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there she brought thee forth that bare thee. Lamentations 2:18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease. Joel 1:12 The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegranate tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, even all the trees of the field, are withered: because joy is withered away from the sons of men. Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
The Topical Guide mentions only 3 of them: * kept him as the apple of his eye, Deut. 32:10 * Keep me as the apple of the eye, Ps. 17:8 * my law as the apple of thine eye, Prov. 7:2
This is the fulness of the gospel about apple. From this point on, do You know the principle of apple?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
DrW wrote:At this point, I trust that I may be forgiven for not responding to Simon when he originally asked his silly question of me on the other thread.
You'd like to add a 'spriritual sense' as a sixth to the five physical senses. That's obvious.
But you dodged my questions. What kind of feedback are you experiencing on a moment by moment basis when your 'spiritual sense' is giving you a false positive signal? How do you know when you are experiencing 'spiritual' sensory fatigue?
This 'spiritual sense' is, according to Mormons like you, supposed to be imparting knowledge that is necessary to be saved in an eternal hereafter. However, that's a one-off proposition. You won't know until you've wasted your life here living in submission to the SLC Brethren that it wasn't what you've been told.
With all five of my physical senses I get immediate feedback with which I refine the mental construct that I then use to interpret future physical sensations. Through this constant, continual feedback, I've been able to confirm if my interpretations and responses yield for me a favorable result or not. I am able to adjust accordingly.
You would like to equate your hopes and dreams with a physical sense, but you do not get quick and repeated feedback. So it is not knowledge, but a hope on your part that what your LDS influences in your life are shepherding you towards is correct.
In reality, Simon, you are willing to sacrifice the opportunity to live life on your terms for the trust that you are placing in the arm of flesh, the LDS influences in your life that tell you how you should interpret non verbal, non visual emotions. I am sure that you'll continue to try to equate this with physical senses and the role that they play in providing us knowledge and information. However, it boils down to your personal hopes+LDS peer pressure. And for that you are sacrificing living life on your terms. That is a piss poor bargain.
Was your Master's Thesis in philosophy on this subject? Maybe you can just direct us to a link of that thesis and we can start reading, while we wait for the big surprise. ;)
He lied about that. He claimed that he got his M.A. in Phil. from the U. of Connecticut in 2004. Well, what kind of results do you get if you go looking for a Master's Thesis written by "Simon Fuchs"?
While he launches one of these "How can we know anything" threads every couple of months or so, I'd be much more interested in seeing him engage with the question of how bald-faced lying is justifiable from the standpoint of Latter-day Saint philosophy and morality.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
Doctor Scratch wrote:He lied about that. He claimed that he got his M.A. in Phil. from the U. of Connecticut in 2004. Well, what kind of results do you get if you go looking for a Master's Thesis written by "Simon Fuchs"?
'Twasn't a lie. You have to have access to academic publications from your local University library in order to read such material.