Six Hundred and Ninety-Nine

[_Yoda]

There are really creepy posters here. (Not all.) For instance, I have some real serious issues with the way you, a mod, have treated me. (Yes, you've protected me at times; I do know that.) But I don't think it is appropriate for a mod to tell a poster than his birth is of uncertain paternity and that his mother gives birth to puppies rather than to men.

Bob, you have said unkind things to me, and/or my friends, and I have said unkind things to you in return.

I have publicly apologized for saying those things to you in the past. If you choose not to forgive me than there is really nothing more I can do. I will, here and now, state again that I am sorry. The ball is in your court.

I will also state that I was not in "Mod-mode" when I made either of those comments. On this board, Mods are allowed to both "participate as men/women" in discussions, which is separate from carrying out official Mod duties.

I will state emphatically that I have always treated you fairly as a Mod, in any type of moderation actions on the board, and I would honestly challenge you to prove differently.

[_Yahoo Bot]

But the stuff that actually falsifies the Church, you guys lose every time. The Book of Abraham is a great example, and while you guys think the various apologetic bunny trails provide room for "plausibility" this only works for apologists who have conditioned themselves to view these as victories. But in the real world, people who are not enamored with "technical plausibility" are generally more interested in probability. And all the evidence points to the fact that the LDS Church probably isn't true because Joseph Smith could not translate ancient documents. Since his ability to do so is provided the "keystone" of the Mormon religion, then it is logically based on fraud. And the way you guys keep coming up with various ways to scoot around the falsifiable, is just further evidence that you're not really willing to engage it wit intellectual honesty.

But all this relates to the fact that there really isn't an LDS operates forum that allows all discussions to run their course. They know from the outset that they're going to have to institute "Mormon think" mentality beforehand, using all the rationales that you and other apologists have come up with to hinder unbridled reasoning.

That's not true. For Mormon Dialogue it is generally a matter of tone and delivery. Rob Bowman is a popular poster over there and he survives.

I go head to head with 99 percent of the posters there over the whole silliness of what I call the Sorenson heresy. None of my posts have been edited. I've not been banned from any thread. Generally, I am on the outs with the heavy posters over there due to my views -- Robert F. Smith and Paharon in particular have used rather difficult language with me -- but I'm still there. You'd be there too, and welcome, if you just could school yourself to be more temperate. Calling everybody an idiot just puts you in a bad category over there.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

Speaking of creeps, perhaps their intent is to keep them in their sandbox.

Moderation is the norm, not the exception. For MAD, it is their sandbox. They get to keep the creeps out. All boards except the very few do that.

I'll be shocked, shocked I tells ya, if Mr. Bob can go one post without saying something crappy. Queue the victim card in 3-2-1...

V/R
Dr. Cameron

[Guest]

There are really creepy posters here. (Not all.) For instance, I have some real serious issues with the way you, a mod, have treated me. (Yes, you've protected me at times; I do know that.) But I don't think it is appropriate for a mod to tell a poster than his birth is of uncertain paternity and that his mother gives birth to puppies rather than to men.

Bob, you have said unkind things to me, and/or my friends, and I have said unkind things to you in return.

I have publicly apologized for saying those things to you in the past. If you choose not to forgive me than there is really nothing more I can do. I will, here and now, state again that I am sorry. The ball is in your court.

I will also state that I was not in "Mod-mode" when I made either of those comments. On this board, Mods are allowed to both "participate as men/women" in discussions, which is separate from carrying out official Mod duties.

I will state emphatically that I have always treated you fairly as a Mod, in any type of moderation actions on the board, and I would honestly challenge you to prove differently.

I can't prove that you have "moderated me unfairly" because there is no moderation here. (I do like my faux moderator comments so much, but I think Harmony is the Nazi on that.)

I think you are a nice person but I question your judgment about the things you say to some people. I'd like to say my mother cried when you called me a son of a bitch but, alas, she's deceased.

And, I accept your apology with hugs and kisses.

[Guest]

Hello,

Speaking of creeps, perhaps their intent is to keep them in their sandbox.

Moderation is the norm, not the exception. For MAD, it is their sandbox. They get to keep the creeps out. All boards except the very few do that.

I'll be shocked, shocked I tells ya, if Mr. Bob can go one post without saying something s****y. Queue the victim card in 3-2-1...

V/R
Dr. Cameron

And, right now, by coming out after six months of inactivity I feel like I've just run into the white farm house in my favorite movie, Night of the Living Dead. What's next? A foul meme with my face on it? More emails from Eric to my law partners? More jokes about my wife and children? More challenges to the identity of my father?

[_Kevin Graham]

Moderation is the norm, not the exception. For MAD, it is their sandbox. They get to keep the creeps out. All boards except the very few do that

You're being ridiculous. 78% of the threads at MAD are started by "creeps"?

Yes, I remember the days when folks like webguy was acting like a douche, deleting posts and banning posters left and right. But that was one of the reasons ZLMB was started, and it died because LDS members couldn't win the debates, so they left in a huff. They wanted to go somewhere that provided them preferential treatment, and that is what they got at FAIR.

But you can't seriously expect anyone to buy this argument that the reason there is not a single LDS operated discussion forum that allows a debate to take its course, is merely because all anti-Mormons are a bunch of "creeps" and the white-horse LDS folk are just trying to keep them out!

And no, this forum wasn't designed for the "outcasts" from MAD. But their forum was created for the LDS folks who couldn't stand ZLMB any longer. Even though it was operated by a faithful LDS member, he refused to provide preferential treatment, and so Juliann and Dan stormed off with most of the LDS faithful after one discussion that was extremely embarrassing after it provided Juliann had lied about a transcript, or something. I think she realized she couldn't control her silly remarks and instead of facing accountability for herself, she wanted to go somewhere that would rig the system so that she wasn't accountable ever. So while being the main person behind the dwindling FAIR board, she made an announcement to the LDS members at ZLMB, offering them sanctuary so they wouldn't have to worry about having their testimonies harmed.

So no, it has nothing to do with being "creeped out" by posters here. From what I have seen at MAD, most of them have no idea who most of us are to begin with. Scratch is only known because of the way Dan and others talk about him there, and their image of him is shaped by one-sided input alone - and that easily explains why they'd be "creeped". So stop pretending the MAD folks peruse this forum and have an informed perspective about the characters who regularly post here. I've seen popular posters like LeSellers and others act confused whenever someone brings up my name, because they have no idea who I am.

In reality, if they knew most of the characters who participated here, and that we probably have more professional and respected academics posting here than at MAD, then they'd probably be migrating over here as well in search of a higher quality discussion without constant moderator intervention. I think in many ways the actions by Nemesis is just a giant slur against this forum to help his own forum. He knows he is losing posters to us, and he's trying to stop it the only way he can. By starting a thread that bashes this forum and disallows anyone else to participate on the thread to offer a more balanced perspective.

[Guest]

In reality, if they knew most of the characters who participated here, and that we probably have more professional and respected academics posting here than at MAD,

???????

Whaa?

Oh yeah, you have Will Shryver. I'll credit you him.

And, yes, I really do think the creep factor is the problem over here. People who don't have sufficient people skills to withstand a banning.

Look at poor Consigleri, obviously a smart fellow, who kept his faithless sarcasm in tow for a long, long time before being kicked off for something mean-spirited. His mental collapse obviously occurred, as he explained, when he was not permitted to teach Gospel Doctrine any more. Will wonders never cease.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

And, right now, by coming out after six months of inactivity I feel like I've just run into the white farm house in my favorite movie, Night of the Living Dead. What's next? A foul meme with my face on it? More emails from Eric to my law partners?

Hello Mr. Bob,

Well, to put your addled mind at rest, I don't create memes, but I certainly enjoy a few. You offer so much wonderful meme material I'm surprised one wasn't created in your honor, frankly. I thought you felt so threatened so you left? What was that? Yesterday? Welcome back, Mr. Bob. I'm looking forward to your posts related to Mormonism!

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Yoda]

I can't prove that you have "moderated me unfairly" because there is no moderation here. (I do like my faux moderator comments so much, but I think Harmony is the Nazi on that.)

That is incorrect. There is moderation here. It may not be moderation that you are comfortable with because it is more lax than you are comfortable with, but we do have rules, and moderators who strive to have posters adhere to them while upholding Shades' free speech vision. The fact that you don't necessarily agree with that vision is not my concern. It is YOUR choice of whether or not you feel comfortable participating here. As far as your faux moderator comments...yes, they were against the rules. And, I believe that it was Shades who corrected you.

So...from what you have stated above, you have, in fact, stated that you cannot point to a post where I treated you unfairly from a Moderator perspective.

I think you are a nice person but I question your judgment about the things you say to some people. I'd like to say my mother cried when you called me a son of a bitch but, alas, she's deceased.

And I'm sure that you are a nice person and a devoted father, yet I question your judgment about things you say to people as well, so I suppose we're even! ;-)

I'm assuming that you do not accept my apology.

That saddens me, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I have done everything I can do. If you choose to hang on to something I said to you over a year ago, and have now publicly and privately apologized for twice, then the problem lies with you, not me.

[_Yahoo Bot]

I'm assuming that you do not accept my apology.

That saddens me, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I have done everything I can do. If you choose to hang on to something I said to you over a year ago, and have now publicly and privately apologized for twice, then the problem lies with you, not me.

You obviously did not read my [edited] post.