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[_Runtu]

Speaking of intellectuals (or poseurs, as the case may be), I think I'm going on sabbatical from the boards. Too much drama and crap for me. Catch you all on Facebook. You can email me your Facebook, and I just might friend you.

Thanks for everything.

John

[_sock puppet]

It always shakes my head in wonderment about peoples intellectual skills and common sense..... all the while thinking they are intelligent and actually saying something "smart".

Joseph Smith "Growing up" a basically ignorant farm boy is not the same as LATER ON becoming a great intellectual thinker. Hello..... McFly.....

Anyone that has actually read most early LDS history, especially Joseph's own words, in contrast to anti-mormon drive-by media know very well that he was very intelligent, wise, and good, and that this was developed through study and faith, not growing up with it, save almost entirely with the scriptures alone.

Obiwan, please take some time and read the study, “Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties of Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-assessments," by Justin Kruger and David Dunning, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 1999, vol. 77, no. 6, pp. 1121-1134.

If you don't have access to a journal retrieval source, you can find a good layman's discussion of the condition in Errol Morris's series for the New York Times, "The Anosognosic’s Dilemma: Something’s Wrong but You’ll Never Know What It Is." Morris uses the term "anosognosia," a condition in which a person who suffers from a disability seems unaware of or denies the existence of his or her disability, as a way of talking about what is now commonly referred to as "Dunning-Kruger Effect." As Dunning explains it to Morris, "if you’re incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent." In other words, people who are very ignorant often have an inflated sense of their intellectual skills because they lack the ability to understand their own ignorance.

Your post is a near text-book example of this condition. You complain about other people lacking intellectual skills, but do so in a barrage of nearly incomprehensible illiteracy. For example,

It always shakes my head in wonderment about peoples intellectual skills and common sense..... all the while thinking they are intelligent and actually saying something "smart".

The writer of such a sentence has made clear that they completely lack the very thing they are so sure they possess and others do not. I'm not just talking about common spelling mistakes or typos. I'm talking about phrases like, "It always shakes my head..."

Take some time to read and learn, Obiwan.

I would hope, Blixa, that something would shake his head and then those rocks might come tumbling out.

[_Blixa]

Speaking of intellectuals (or poseurs, as the case may be), I think I'm going on sabbatical from the boards. Too much drama and crap for me. Catch you all on Facebook. You can email me your Facebook, and I just might friend you.

Thanks for everything.

John

I hear ya, John. I'm re-evaluating my own participation as well. Nothing drastic, just contemplating how I can even better avoid the handful of disturbed types here.

[_Nightlion]

Elder Packer has never "gone after" LDS intellectuals, save from a particular hostile ex-LDS, dare I say it, apostate perspective. All he has ever done is set intellectuality in its proper relation to the gospel and spiritual things, which, I would posit, is a relation that is at one and the same time in harmony with it while also being subordinate to it.

That's all.

Along with who is an intellectual "worthy" we might consider who is a gospel "worthy" too.

Were exactly is it demonstrated that Packer is "proper" in gospel understanding? I think him as ignernt as he is inexprunced.
Don't you have to understand one to rightly juxtapose the uthr?

For example:
1. How many people has he taught to come unto Christ such that they actually receive and experience the gospel, meaning the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost? (We all hear Alex's Final Jeopardy time tune winding down, don't we?)
2. Failing some forty years of appearances only yet not doing his apostolic duty, where has he demonstrated the astute realization something is wrong and launched a competent investigation of how that should it be fixed?
3. Arriving miserably at this haplessness of nothingness we can deduce that Boyd K. Packer is a false apostle of the darkest dye who perpetuates a stupendous error with arrogance to the extreme under a sheep'scoat of mild mannered superiority.

D&C 18:20
1 Nephi 14:10-12

I predict that none shall stand up to defend the man.
What is true of this one is just as true of them all.
IJWAOTSKATLIGOOTFAB

[_harmony]

3. Arriving miserably at this haplessness of nothingness we can deduce that Boyd K. Packer is a false apostle of the darkest dye who perpetuates a stupendous error with arrogance to the extreme under a sheep'scoat of mild mannered superiority.

Well, I dunno. At least, in the tradition of Brigham Young, Packer got rich and lived a long life while doing it. Joseph Smith, on the other hand, just accumulated wives.

[_Nightlion]

Speaking of intellectuals (or poseurs, as the case may be), I think I'm going on sabbatical from the boards. Too much drama and crap for me. Catch you all on Facebook. You can email me your Facebook, and I just might friend you.

Thanks for everything.

John

Do not feel unwelcome to stop by the AVC at 200 South Orchard Drive #1 in North Salt Lake, (Utah). You could be the SECOND person from this board to do so! I will have a phone number on my new signage going up next week.

[_harmony]

Speaking of intellectuals (or poseurs, as the case may be), I think I'm going on sabbatical from the boards. Too much drama and crap for me. Catch you all on Facebook. You can email me your Facebook, and I just might friend you.

Thanks for everything.

John

Now what did I miss? I thought the drama and crap was all last week...

[_Ceeboo]

Speaking of intellectuals (or poseurs, as the case may be), I think I'm going on sabbatical from the boards. Too much drama and crap for me. Catch you all on Facebook. You can email me your Facebook, and I just might friend you.

Thanks for everything.

John

Now what did I miss? I thought the drama and crap was all last week...

HI harmony,

You have it almost right.


The drama was last week, this week is the crap.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Joey]

Looks like the church needed to convince the Utah membership, patrticulay those in Provo, that "We've been led by 'smart guys, we have smart guys, and/or even smart guys are Mormon!". What it also says is that the overwhelming majority of members never heard of the "Provo Pontification" - Mormon Scholars Testify!

The article won't be picked up by any AP media so it was safe piece to publish in Mecca to bolster the troops.

And good seeing "Dan I Won't Post Here Anymore Peterson" coming to the defense of Packer! Harmony called it! You can set your watch to Petrrson's "I need attention" intervals!!

Only in Provo baby!!!

[_Nightlion]

3. Arriving miserably at this haplessness of nothingness we can deduce that Boyd K. Packer is a false apostle of the darkest dye who perpetuates a stupendous error with arrogance to the extreme under a sheep'scoat of mild mannered superiority.

Well, I dunno. At least, in the tradition of Brigham Young, Packer got rich and lived a long life while doing it. Joseph Smith, on the other hand, just accumulated wives.

Interesting qualification there harmony. Brigham could hardly give a fig if anyone ever got it right. Just keep them streets broad and at right angles. Don't want another Boston out here in the Kingdom.

And according to Joseph, who only acknowledge ONE wife, we should start calling them others sealed persons of interest. When men were sealed to other men it was not meant to be of any note in this life but for a relationship in the next. Same with Joseph and his sealed partners I reckon. Making certain that those you like stay close and are not lost in space so to speak.