How the Greek language tripped up two early movements

[_Dr. Shades]

What is this "Opa!" that you twice exclaimed? Is it the new "pep pep?"

[_Blixa]

What is this "Opa!" that you twice exclaimed? Is it the new "pep pep?"

Have you really never met any Greeks, Shades?

There's even a Greek Festival every year in SLC.

[_Morley]

What is this "Opa!" that you twice exclaimed? Is it the new "pep pep?"

Have you really never met any Greeks, Shades?

There's even a Greek Festival every year in Salt Lake City.

Opa!

[_ludwigm]

[*quote="Buffalo"]
Joseph Smith famously entertained many celestial visitors. Two of these visitors were Elijah and Elias, prophets of the Bible. The only problem is Elijah and Elias were the same person, Elias being the Greek version of Elijah. Opa![*/quote]Except that Jesus said John the Baptist was Elias too.
(cue dramatic revelation music)

Reincarnation is great! They're still the same guy. If they were two different OT-era prophets with the same name they'd be Elijah and Elijah.

The spanish version of Elijah is "Elías" (and You may pronounce the "í" as You want. The "i" in english pronounced different in "first/find/fill" so be aware!

12 Después de esto, apareció Elías y entregó la dispensación del evangelio de Abraham, diciendo que en nosotros y en nuestra descendencia serían bendecidas todas las generaciones después de nosotros.
13 Concluida esta visión, se nos desplegó otra visión grande y gloriosa; porque Elías el profeta, que fue bllevado al cielo sin gustar la muerte, se apareció ante nosotros, y dijo:

FYI

12After this, Elias appeared, and committed the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham, saying that in us and our seed all generations after us should be blessed.
13After this vision had closed, another great and glorious vision burst upon us; for Elijah the prophet, who was taken to heaven without tasting death, stood before us, and said:

Poor spanish speakers...

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by the way
I don't speak spanish.
I speak hungarian (my native).
I speak (OK, low level of...) english, german, russian - sometimes I can answer a simple question. Even here.
I understand - as a tourist - serbian/croatian, polish, czech, slowakian, and can ask "how much/many" or "where is". Or "please show me on this map".

[_ludwigm]

My wife speaks portuguese (with limited knowledge - BKPacker's words). She used to teach mozambicans in the army - to math and phys.

12 Depois disto, Elias apareceu e conferiu-nos a dispensação do evangelho de Abraão, dizendo que em nós e em nossa semente todas as gerações depois de nós seriam abençoadas.
13 Concluída essa visão, outra grande e gloriosa visão abriu-se para nós; pois Elias, o profeta, que fora levado ao céu sem experimentar a morte, apareceu diante de nós e disse:

Poor portuguese speakers...

We can compute the rate of spanish/portuguese speaker members.
I think it is somewhere near 50% of the membership.

[_jon]

The early Christians' scripture was the Septuagint - the Greek translation of what we call the Old Testament. In that translation, Isaiah speaks of a virgin giving birth. The early Christians used that to construct a history of Jesus that they felt would make his birth seem like a foretold event. The only problem: "virgin" is a mistranslation, and should read "young woman." Opa!

Joseph Smith famously entertained many celestial visitors. Two of these visitors were Elijah and Elias, prophets of the Bible. The only problem is Elijah and Elias were the same person, Elias being the Greek version of Elijah. Opa!

Wouldn't a more accurate description of the argument be that while the word should read "young woman", that doesn't mean that virgin is incorrect. Wouldn't a second century Jew assume that a young, unmarried woman is a virgin?

Unmarried?
Was Joseph not on the scene when Jesus was 'conceived'?

[_Kishkumen]

What is this "Opa!" that you twice exclaimed? Is it the new "pep pep?"

Geez, I sure hope so!

Opa!

[_Joseph]

“Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of the flesh… Jesus is the only person who had our Heavenly Father as the father of his body.”
(Joseph Fielding Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, pages 125, 126, 1972)
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Officially published by l-dsinc. Even mr space will support the teaching now as it is doctrine.

[_Kishkumen]

Have you really never met any Greeks, Shades?

There's even a Greek Festival every year in Salt Lake City.

And it is a damn good Greek festival too! I try to attend Greek festivals when I can, and that one was better than many I have attended. The dancing was a particular highlight.

[_Buffalo]

The early Christians' scripture was the Septuagint - the Greek translation of what we call the Old Testament. In that translation, Isaiah speaks of a virgin giving birth. The early Christians used that to construct a history of Jesus that they felt would make his birth seem like a foretold event. The only problem: "virgin" is a mistranslation, and should read "young woman." Opa!

Joseph Smith famously entertained many celestial visitors. Two of these visitors were Elijah and Elias, prophets of the Bible. The only problem is Elijah and Elias were the same person, Elias being the Greek version of Elijah. Opa!

Wouldn't a more accurate description of the argument be that while the word should read "young woman", that doesn't mean that virgin is incorrect. Wouldn't a second century Jew assume that a young, unmarried woman is a virgin?

Without explicitly saying its a virgin, then there's no reason for Christ to have been born of one. That wasn't what Isaiah was saying at all. Too bad the people fictionalizing Jesus' back story didn't have a better translation of Isaiah.