For Nemesis...

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_Jersey Girl
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Scottie wrote:How do we do it??

Start big and whittle down.

There is no shortage of outright name calling on this board. Douchebag, idiot, etc. are common. If you can provide me a context in which calling someone an idiot or a douchebag is "observation", then I'll re-think this. I can't think of any reason for this.

Personally, I say we delete the entire response if a name is called. Sure would make people think twice before they engage in outright nasty namecalling, right?


Yes, exactly. I quoted Dave Ramsey before and now again, "Pull that thing out by the roots". :-)
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Scottie wrote:There is no shortage of outright name calling on this board. Douchebag, idiot, etc. are common. If you can provide me a context in which calling someone an idiot or a douchebag is "observation", then I'll re-think this. I can't think of any reason for this.

Yeah, that's probably a good litmus test. On the other hand, perhaps merely inserting those words into the word censor would be adequate?

Personally, I say we delete the entire response if a name is called. Sure would make people think twice before they engage in outright nasty namecalling, right?

Oh, I'd be worried about losing substance. I'd far rather move such content to the appropriate forum than delete it outright.

Jersey Girl wrote:Granted that what constitutes "personal attack" is in the eye of both the attacker and attackee, you can still act on the above already existing rule.

This is why I asked you about moving posts into the Mod Forum for deliberation.

Deliberating about posts would take WAY too long. The point of having moderators is to get things done more quickly, not to drag things out.

Another possible method is to drag the questionable posts into a "Queue Forum" where everyone can see the post in question, protest the removal of such if they will, etc.

That might disrupt the smooth flow of discussions even more than just moving it to the Telestial Forum and having the miscreant argue with us via PM.

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Yes it was, but considering Ray A's final bout of accusations, I figured I'd better make it clear anyway.
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Keep the board the way it is...and consider moving absolutely blatant attacks to the telestial forum. If the mod is even slightly unsure if the post is criticism or a personal attack then leave the thread where it is. When in doubt leave the thread alone.
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Jersey Girl wrote:Once again--Please USE the already existing rules that we have.


Great point, Jersey Girl.

I think that a "gray area" that has been allowed to exist is that if a quick "one-liner" personal attack was present in a post in Terrestrial, but the body of the post remained on-topic, we were allowing the posts to slide.

If we actually "cracked down" a bit more on that rule, and basically stated that, no matter what...if a blatant personal attack was posted, that post would be moved to Telestial, I think that would make a difference.
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Re: For Nemesis...

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One question I keep asking myself is why in the name of all that is holy do we give a flying flip about what Nemesis thinks about MDB???? We are positively falling all over ourselves in a pointless exercise to somehow please Nemesis/MDD??

Look, I'm all for change. I DO believe that the blatant personal attacks don't belong and stifle discussion.

If we want to change to better ourselves, then lets do it. But to change because Nemesis said we should?? Shameful.

It's akin to those who say they are only righteous because they are afraid of God's punishment vs the atheist who says he is moral because it's the right thing to do. Are we changing because we fear/want to please Nemesis or because it's the right thing to do??
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Shades,

You didn't address my comments regarding the already existing rules or my comment regarding this:

The easiest method, I believe, would be simply to move personal attack posts directly into the Telestial and let folks protest in that area of the board.


This shouldn't be complex, it's simply a matter of ACTING on the already existing rules.
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Most posters here can write well enough to make our points without using words like "douchebag." For those who aren't, the upcoming writer's room may be of value. OTOH, isn't the Pahoran-style of insult just as objectionable? He doesn't use words like "douchebag" but he aims for the liver and gives it just as good a twist in his passive-aggressive way.

What I get tired of seeing are responses that are purely insult and no content, no matter what the vocabulary used. It gets pretty complicated making rules and enforcing them. Who wants to see nothing here except arguments over whether an insult is bad enough to delete?

What if, instead of making a bunch more rules, the moderators behind the scenes pm offending posters and ask them to tone it down. Maybe they will comply.
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Jskains wrote:This seems to be the point the people here miss. No matter how much you separate all of the topics, Google doesn't. Personal, vial, or inflammatory stuff gets feed equally into the internet machine.


True. However, if someone is interested in getting "dirt" on someone, and they read a personal attack, they are generally going to click on the source and find out what it is all about. If they read the thread in context, I think that they will be able to tell if that comment is really accurate of if someone is just "blowing smoke".

Also, remember that in real life information is currently against board rules now. And, I think that we REALLY need to crack down on this rule as well.

We have been lenient on suspensions for infractions on this, and as far as I'm concerned, "the party's over". Everyone here should understand the implication involved with messing with someone's in real life identity. If there is ANY more incident of this, the offender needs to be banned, or, at the very least, suspended.
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:What if, instead of making a bunch more rules, the moderators behind the scenes pm offending posters and ask them to tone it down. Maybe they will comply.

I wish civility reigned supreme behind the anonymous internet persona, but, it doesn't.
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Re: For Nemesis...

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Scottie wrote:One question I keep asking myself is why in the name of all that is holy do we give a flying flip about what Nemesis thinks about MDB???? We are positively falling all over ourselves in a pointless exercise to somehow please Nemesis/MDD??

Look, I'm all for change. I DO believe that the blatant personal attacks don't belong and stifle discussion.

If we want to change to better ourselves, then lets do it. But to change because Nemesis said we should?? Shameful.

It's akin to those who say they are only righteous because they are afraid of God's punishment vs the atheist who says he is moral because it's the right thing to do. Are we changing because we fear/want to please Nemesis or because it's the right thing to do??


I don't really see this as changing because Nemesis thinks we should.

Personally, I have felt that this change should have happened quite a while ago. The board getting shut down was, I think, a wake-up call for everyone.

The only reason I tagged Nemsis' name at the top of this thread is because he misrepresented what I said, and I wanted to set the record straight.
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