Defenders, please show me real examples of "persecution"

[_zeezrom]

Hello Scottie,

Where did this thread turn into "OH YAH?" etc.. ??

[_Scottie]

Hello Scottie,

Where did this thread turn into "OH YAH?" etc.. ??

Hmmm...
Sounds more like Camp Doctrine to me.
After all, the blacks and the gays weren't/aren't being persecuted by the Church, it's just Doctrine...

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Consiglieri,

Seems no different than LDS Inc only hiring temple recommend carrying Mormons.

Is LDS Inc persecuting other religion by not hiring them??

[_Scottie]

Hello Scottie,

Where did this thread turn into "OH YAH?" etc.. ??

And here...

Consiglieri,

Seems no different than LDS Inc only hiring temple recommend carrying Mormons.

Is LDS Inc persecuting other religion by not hiring them??

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Porter,

Here is an example of persecution that people around me still feel. Whether or not it is an honest depiction is not my point. My point is the believers around me truly feel this is persecution and it is internalized today as something personal to them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7nOEhTICAE

I would venture to guess it bolsters their belief in Mormonism. So be it.

Sorry but the "persecution" in the early days of the church was brought about by certain doctrines and principles which are no longer practiced in the mainstream LDS chruch.

The FLDS are "persecuted" for practicing these same doctrines and principles. The mainstream Mormons are nothing more than a large version of the RLDS.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Still, I'm glad I'm not a gay Mormon. That would suck.

Are you saying that gay Mormons suck?

[_consiglieri]

Surely there must be a law preventing this kind of thing, right? Isn't religion a protected class that can't be discriminated against?

Hi, Scottie!

I have tried to look at it from the camp's point of view. I am sure they don't want campers sent there by their parents to be taught the "wrong" beliefs by a rogue Mormon counsellor.

(Although this was not mentioned in the letter.)

On the other hand, this is a camp that is open to the public at large. Campers from all denominations are welcome to attend, as evidenced by the fact that my daughter has been going there for years.

Also, counsellors are not there for religious instruction, but to help campers learn the ropes of horseback riding.

I also felt this letter had lawsuit written all over it, especially because it goes out of its way to single out my daughter's religious beliefs as the sole reasons for her not being accepted.

Now I have a confession to make.

We haven't shown our daughter the letter.

Right now she's dealing with a lot of issues revolving around her self-esteem and we didn't think it would be helpful to pile this on top of everything else.

She knows that she wasn't accepted, because all her friends who applied did get accepted and have communicated that to her.

But she doesn't know why.

At least not yet.

I do know that the primary reason for any lawsuit would be to have her accepted as camp counsellor. But I also know that by the time any such legal action were successful, she wouldn't want to be counsellor under those circumstances.

A bit of a bind.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Hmmm...
Sounds more like Camp Doctrine to me.
After all, the blacks and the gays weren't/aren't being persecuted by the Church, it's just Doctrine...

Excellent point jon.

[_Bond James Bond]

Okay, PP. I'll play.

My fourteen year-old daughter has been regularly attending horse camp at a local facility run by the Free Methodist Church.

She has gone there for about five years now, several times each year.

She has progressed to the top level of horsemanship (Level 4), is very well liked and respected, and was encouraged by the lower level leadership to submit her paperwork to be a summer counselor.

My daughter submitted the application, together with glowing referral letters, a couple of months ago.

About three weeks ago, we received a letter in the mail.

The letter was signed by the upper level management, and while saying that my daughter has wonderful references and is indeed respected by the people who work at the camp, she was rejected for the summer counselor position, specifically stating it was only because of her beliefs as a Mormon.

What do you think? Does this qualify as "persecution"? It isn't tar and feathering, granted.

But sometimes things leave scars that never felt a wound.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

That sucks consig.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Hi, Scottie!

I have tried to look at it from the camp's point of view. I am sure they don't want campers sent there by their parents to be taught the "wrong" beliefs by a rogue Mormon counsellor.

(Although this was not mentioned in the letter.)

On the other hand, this is a camp that is open to the public at large. Campers from all denominations are welcome to attend, as evidenced by the fact that my daughter has been going there for years.

Also, counsellors are not there for religious instruction, but to help campers learn the ropes of horseback riding.

I also felt this letter had lawsuit written all over it, especially because it goes out of its way to single out my daughter's religious beliefs as the sole reasons for her not being accepted.

Now I have a confession to make.

We haven't shown our daughter the letter.

Right now she's dealing with a lot of issues revolving around her self-esteem and we didn't think it would be helpful to pile this on top of everything else.

She knows that she wasn't accepted, because all her friends who applied did get accepted and have communicated that to her.

But she doesn't know why.

At least not yet.

I do know that the primary reason for any lawsuit would be to have her accepted as camp counsellor. But I also know that by the time any such legal action were successful, she wouldn't want to be counsellor under those circumstances.

A bit of a bind.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Consiglieri,

Mormon scouts is open to outsiders as well and LDS Inc uses this to pull in young converts. Is that wrong?

I guess you understand why I am happy that my daughters are no longer part of the Mormon church. LDS theology is not for strong willed women.

I guess the bind you are in is you see the damage LDS Inc is causing your family but you cannot leave.

I am sure others will use this to futher retain not only her in the cult but many others.

This "persecution" will be taken as a sign that Mormonism is of god.