Rumor about Quinn

[_Doctor Scratch]

Can't sue a scary guy who only posts anonymously.

And, saying that somebody is commiting libel is not a threat to sue.

You're [sic] posts are just so dang bogus. Hyperbole and reliance upon seedy informants, all anonymous. How can you sleep well knowing that what you're doing is dimly viewed by most decent people much less God Himself? Attacking a decent fellow like Dr. Peterson. Really. Tsk tsk. I really feel sorry for him and what you've put him through. What this Board has put him through.

Hi there, Bob. Actually, I think I deserve a lot of credit for helping to bring about a revolution in the way that Mopologetics is conducted. Thanks in part to my criticism, we're seeing the emergence of a new, kinder, gentler, more self-reflective and humble form of LDS apologetics.

[_Bond James Bond]

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Blast from the past. Did anyone ever figure out who "Opie Rockwell" was? Wasn't there some discussion about that being Will S?

/tangent

(Also. Hello Dr. Peterson. I haven't talked to you in a couple years. Hope you are well.)

[_Pahoran]

And all that said, it's not totally misguided to have lingering fears about LDS "death squads" or Danites.

You're right that it's not "totally misguided." It's just totally dishonest.

These things seemed to have been a historical reality clear up through the end of the 19th century, and perhaps beyond.

No, they were not.

They were a popular anti-Mormon canard. Nothing more.

So there is a historical basis for your (and others') concerns. There is a whole spectrum of ways that the Church can put the hurt on somebody, though,

For example?

and nowadays "death" seems to be off the table.

As it was in the beginning, so it is now and ever shall be.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Doctor Scratch]

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Blast from the past. Did anyone ever figure out who "Opie Rockwell" was? Wasn't there some discussion about that being Will S?

It was probably Will Schryver.

[_Daniel Peterson]

You mentioned it multiple times on FAIR/MAD/MDD. (Actually, you might not have mentioned it on MDD, seeing as how this is that messageboard's latest incarnation.)

I was talking specifically about the interval of several years between Mike Quinn's departure from BYU and his official "coming out."

It would be interesting, by the way -- though not interesting enough that I'll ever do anything about it -- to know which of us has brought up the matter of Quinn's homosexuality most often on these message boards. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it were you, and by a considerable distance.

I don't think that DCP has been nearly as vicious towards Quinn as, say, Bill Hamblin or Louis Midgley.

Neither one of whom is responsible for Mike Quinn's failure to be hired by even a single history department in one of America's 2000-4000 colleges. (He may not have tried very hard, for all I know; I suspect he hasn't. But, since it's being blamed on me, or on me and my friends, I just want to point out, yet again, that it's a ridiculous claim.)

I think I deserve a lot of credit for helping to bring about a revolution in the way that Mopologetics is conducted. Thanks in part to my criticism, we're seeing the emergence of a new, kinder, gentler, more self-reflective and humble form of LDS apologetics.

Gross factual error, as interpreted through a lens distorted by spectacular delusions of grandeur.

[_zeezrom]

So, is this what it was like in the good old days before I got here? ...This tête-à-tête between Scratch and DCP?

The glory days are back! This is the way it was meant to be. [smile]

What would Star Wars be without Luke and Darth Vader? We love them both! We respect them both!

[_Daniel Peterson]

Hello Dr. Peterson. I haven't talked to you in a couple years. Hope you are well.

I am. Thank you.

And best wishes to you, too.

So, is this what it was like in the good old days before I got here? ...This tête-à-tête between Scratch and DCP?

The glory days are back! This is the way it was meant to be. [smile]

What would Star Wars be without Luke and Darth Vader? We love them both! We respect them both!

If you seriously think that it's the "glory days" and "the way it was meant to be" to have Scratch anonymously accusing and defaming me day in, day out, for five full years and counting, forget the tamale lunch. Not interested.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Oh my goodness; interacting with Dr. Cam is just fruitless.

It wasn't an "open secret." He came out to his friends in the MHA community before 1988, to which I was a witness. I was involved in MHA gatherings whilst Dr. Peterson was still a babe in arms.

Hey ya [Personal attack deleted by mod Scottie],

I was quoting your friend Mr. Peterson. Those are his words, not mine. And dialoguing with me isn't fruitless, since I openly acknowledged that Mr. Peterson's account is believable since he himself said that he didn't discuss Dr. Quinn's sexuality with his colleagues before Dr. Quinn's dismissal.

V/R
Dr. Cameron

[_Pahoran]

And, it does seem to me that the Church will go to unusual lengths to track people down. For example, my brother was not attending church meetings, the church had essentially lost him, and they proceeded to call everyone in the family they had contact information for to track him down. We all told the bureaucrats searching for my brother that if he wanted to go to church, he could easily find his own way into a chapel.

Kish, I realise that you have an audience to pander to, but you should be aware that home teachers, not actually being employed by anyone, are not functioning as "bureaucrats" in any meaningful sense.

Recently, the Relief Society president of the ward whose boundaries we live in used false pretenses to extract my wife's phone number from me. She pretended to be a friend of my wife and never mentioned that she was the ward Relief Society president. Man was my wife steamed when the Relief Society president called her. I sure had to answer for that goof.

Kish, I realise that you have an audience to pander to, but you should be aware that Relief Society presidents do genuinely think of themselves as friends to the sisters they serve.

If you and your wife are so frightened by the thought of Mormons menacing you with threats of casseroles, I suggest you phone the local bishop and ask to have "Do not contact" noted on your records.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Dr. Scratch,

When you say:

---approx. 1988-199?: DCP learns, along with Todd Compton, that Quinn is gay. On this occasion, there was a meeting that took place between Compton, DCP, and another, shadowy "liberal" LDS in Southern California. It was here that DCP learned that Quinn's homosexuality was "widely known."
---1992??: Stake President Paul Hanks begins a disciplinary investigation (possibly at the behest of Elder Boyd K. Packer) into Quinn's personal life.

Are you suggesting that Mr. Peterson learned of Dr. Quinn's homosexuality prior to his excommunication & subsequent dismissal? If so, I'm curious as to what led you to this conclusion? Mr. Peterson has stated categorically that he did not discuss Dr. Quinn's sexuality prior to his dismissal.

V/R
Dr. Cameron