There's a good reason why no one follows Jesus

[_Buffalo]

The high priest was supposed to have lived to see it

Mark 14
61 Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

In better context Christ was telling him that he would see two separate things. Sitting at the right hand of God is not part of the Second Coming. It suggests that Caiaphas would see it when it happens. Not while he was still alive.

You missed "coming on the clouds of heaven."

[_Nightlion]

You missed "coming on the clouds of heaven."

Not at all. OH, you probably cannot consider that the 'spirit world' is going to see the same thing as us when Christ does come in the clouds of Heaven. Like, what, if it does not happen in the flesh it fails? You cannot contain religion to your box of disbelief. You are speaking to religion that does include an afterlife.

Without faith you have failed to consider about 99% of the potential context. Like playing baseball with my kids hitting a tennis ball that they just have to chase and chase and chase down as I hit homer after homer and round the bags before they get it in. Without faith you are out of your league talking religion.

I am not criticizing that you fail to make sense of your own faithlessness. Whatever. You cannot score points. Your legs are too short. You cannot catch or throw well. And never hit the ball.

Here is puny man thinking he can defeat the Eternal God by talking.
Only a greater than God could ever possibly defeat him. And there is nothing greater than God. And so he is from all eternity to all eternity. Billions and billions of disbelievers have come and gone.

The truth is that eventually you will believe. Perhaps not in this world. What a waste of this world that will be.

[_Milesius]

Only a complete dunce would come up with the interpretations listed by Buffalo (I do not believe he came up with this himself but rather lifted it from some dim bulb on the internet) except for those concerning divorce and turning the other cheek. Those are genuine "hard sayings" for Christians.

[_Milesius]

The real reason Jesus said all of this stuff is because he actually believed the world was coming to an end in his lifetime. I agree with Bart Ehrman that Jesus was a Jewish apocalyptic prophet. Why prepare for tomorrow if tomorrow will not come. There is no reason to accumulate worldly goods when you are about to lose them.

Probably no one was more surprised than Jesus when angels didn't come down to save him.

Absolutely, yes.


Mark 14
61 Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

You need to get out more. Even if I were to grant that you are correct in interpreting Mark, John is at least as early as Mark and there is no expectation of the imminent end of the world therein.

[_Hoops]

Only a complete dunce would come up with the interpretations listed by Buffalo (I do not believe he came up with this himself but rather lifted it from some dim bulb on the internet) except for those concerning divorce and turning the other cheek. Those are genuine "hard sayings" for Christians.

True.

But let me add that Jesus' comment on divorce is significant in that it only appears in one of the gospels. Also, there is some Jewish tradition at the time that concerns His other cheek comment. I'm not at home so I can't look it up, I'm sure someone here knows what I'm referring to. But I think the end result was not that this particular verse means we should be exclusive pacifists. Sorry, I just can't remember.

[_Buffalo]

You missed "coming on the clouds of heaven."

Not at all. OH, you probably cannot consider that the 'spirit world' is going to see the same thing as us when Christ does come in the clouds of Heaven. Like, what, if it does not happen in the flesh it fails? You cannot contain religion to your box of disbelief. You are speaking to religion that does include an afterlife.

CFR. New Testament, please.

[_Buffalo]

Only a complete dunce would come up with the interpretations listed by Buffalo (I do not believe he came up with this himself but rather lifted it from some dim bulb on the internet) except for those concerning divorce and turning the other cheek. Those are genuine "hard sayings" for Christians.

So why do you personally reject the teachings of Jesus?

[_Buffalo]

Only a complete dunce would come up with the interpretations listed by Buffalo (I do not believe he came up with this himself but rather lifted it from some dim bulb on the internet) except for those concerning divorce and turning the other cheek. Those are genuine "hard sayings" for Christians.

True.

But let me add that Jesus' comment on divorce is significant in that it only appears in one of the gospels. Also, there is some Jewish tradition at the time that concerns His other cheek comment. I'm not at home so I can't look it up, I'm sure someone here knows what I'm referring to. But I think the end result was not that this particular verse means we should be exclusive pacifists. Sorry, I just can't remember.

Every Christian must be prepared with a list of excuses why they are not prepared to take Jesus seriously. Usually this involved claiming that Jesus did not mean what he said.

[_Hoops]

Every Christian must be prepared with a list of excuses why they are not prepared to take Jesus seriously. Usually this involved claiming that Jesus did not mean what he said.

Or, perhaps, every Christian should be prepared to diligently study Jesus' words in the entire Bible as part of a comprehensive biblical view. Many of us do.

[_Buffalo]

You need to get out more. Even if I were to grant that you are correct in interpreting Mark, John is at least as early as Mark and there is no expectation of the imminent end of the world therein.

LOL