Get back to what MDB does best, discussing LDS absurdities

[_sock puppet]

I will skip the disdain and shoot straight at this issue. Hopefully, you will all come away with this thinking, "Zee is such a straight shooter."

Possibilities:

1. Hill Camorah is an ancient Indian burial mound. The spirits of the long dead have caused the box to be buried deep in the earth.

2. There really was no sword and breastplate. There were only gold plates and since gold is not corrosive like other alloys and metals typically used in battle gear, the plates did not require a very hefty or well engineered box. The battle gear mentioned by Joseph and others were nothing more than a fabrication to help keep people's interest up.

3. There really was no box at all. Joseph was just handed plates from an angel. In Joseph's mind, it didn't make sense because the spiritual realities were mixed with the physical. In his human mind, he had no choice but to conjur up an story that made physical sense to him.

4. Joseph was teleported to the Hill Camora in Mesoamerica. If you look, you will find the box over there.

Now, let me end by saying God is capable of making any of those possibilities to be true.

Zee, let me first say, you are indeed such a straight shooter.

Also, it's one thing for you to take these liberties with concrete details related by JSJr as part of his story regarding the plates. But please, do not mess with the giant white toad/salamander that kicked the crap out of JSJr. It's my favorite part of the story.

[_sock puppet]

The box was a super-secret composite made of Nephite Cement. After serving its purpose it self destructed. That is why you won't find it now.

That or it is guarded by the spirit of a dead Indian who moves it when you start looking.

Sounds more like an episode of Mission: Impossible than religious history.

[_cafe crema]

The box was a super-secret composite made of Nephite Cement. After serving its purpose it self destructed. That is why you won't find it now.

That or it is guarded by the spirit of a dead Indian who moves it when you start looking.

Sounds more like an episode of Mission: Impossible than religious history.

Or Night Gallery in the second scenario.

[_truth dancer]

Where is the god damned stone box?

An angel took it up to heaven.

"We just don't know."

"If we knew, there would be no need for faith."

It is not relevant to ones testimony.

Joseph Smith say the stone box with only his spiritual eyes.

Just like Jesus turned water to wine, Joseph Smith turned stone to dirt. (OK, I made this one up). LOL!

~td~

[_zeezrom]

Just like Jesus turned water to wine, Joseph Smith turned stone to dirt. (OK, I made this one up). LOL!

~td~

Seriously, what is the difference between God turning water to wine and God turning a highly engineered stone box to dirt? What the hell is the difference?

[_Quasimodo]

The stone box may have been discovered by a local farmer shortly after Joseph found it and is still being used as a small feeding trough for cattle. Someone should check the pastures.

Anything with an unearthly glow should be checked first.

[_cinepro]

The stone box.

Where is the god damned stone box?

I asked this question years ago, and someone produced a quote about someone seeing some stones at the bottom of the Hill Cumorah in Joseph's day and saying (assuming?) it was the remains of the box.

Sometimes I think we do get so focused on the plates and Urim and Thummim that we forget about the other stuff that was claimed to be in the box, like the liahona, Laban's sword, and breast plate. I have heard some people suggest that the Church still has these items. Or we must theorize that they were also taken back by Moroni.

[_Jason Bourne]

You know the stone box question is a good one really. I do not recall seeing that addressed any where and never thought much about it. But yea where is it? If the plates were really taken back along with the sword of laben and the liahona (it was in the box too if I recall) wouldn't the box be left behind? Or did Moroni spirit that away too?

[_Blixa]

Cinepro and Jason Bourne. There is a statement attributed to John Whitmer in a Chicago Times interview in 1875 (and reprinted in the Salt Lake Herald):

Three times he has been at the Hill Cumorah and seen the casket that contained the tablets and seerstone. Eventually the casket has been washed down to the foot of the hill, but it was to be seen when he last visited the historic place.

The easiest way to read the statement in the context of the article is to go to this site which reprints the original article.

I don't know anything about the site, but it does label itself "Anti-Mormon, Pro-Book of Mormon," and I know that statement could make some readers dismiss anything on the site. But I chose it to link to it rather than a few other places you can find the article, because they were .pdf's and harder to link to, or required various library search engines.

You can find the Whitmer quote by itself in hundreds of places online, including I think FAIRwiki, but I wanted to find a source which included the entire article from which it came.

[_Joseph]

Joseph wrote:

The box was a super-secret composite made of Nephite Cement. After serving its purpose it self destructed. That is why you won't find it now.

That or it is guarded by the spirit of a dead Indian who moves it when you start looking.

Sounds more like an episode of Mission: Impossible than religious history.
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With God, Moroni &/or Nephi... nothing is impossible. Especially when you have an operator like joethecoxman sticking his appendages in the holes that are those little flicks of history.